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What is "woke" in 2024

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
First off, I think it’s important to understand that almost all categorization schemes are imperfect. I’m not a fan of identity politics (IP), but IP all too prevalent in society these days, and I admit that when I call someone “woke”, I’m guilty of using IP. So all of the following ideas are approximations and I’m sure imperfect. But I think demanding perfection in this context falls into the trap of making the perfect the enemy of the good.

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There is at least one political spectrum that runs from the far left, to the moderate left, to the centrists, to the moderate right, to the far right. I would say that there are sets of ideas or beliefs commonly associated with each of these positions on the spectrum. For the sake of discussion, let’s say that for each stop on the spectrum we could enumerate 20 beliefs, most commonly associated with that stop.

Most people will not fall cleanly into a single stop on the spectrum. An individual might align with 15 of the 20 moderate left beliefs, but also believe a few far left ideas and a few conservative ideas. The same can be said of other domains. For example, we know that there is at least one religious spectrum that ranges from hard atheist to religious fundamentalism, with many stops in between.

In other words labels such as “far right” or “woke” or “hard atheist” or “religious fundamentalist” are almost always approximations of an individual, and every individual will believe some things that are inconsistent with whatever label we ascribe to them.

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With all those caveats and disclaimers in place, below is a list of beliefs ascribed to the far-left / woke, in 2024. The more of them you agree with, the more “woke” you are. And again, no one is perfectly woke or perfectly far right or moderate. These are all rough approximations.

Far-left / woke beliefs:

1 - Free speech is less important than protecting people from being offended.
2 - Protecting personal liberties is less important than protecting people from being offended.
3 - The world’s people and societies should be viewed from an “oppressed vs. oppressor” perspective.
4 - White people have privilege, and are racist by default.
5 - White cultures are more colonist and imperialist than non-white cultures.
6 - An individual’s “lived experience” should have as much or more weight in public policy than broad statistical facts.
7 - There is an intersectional or oppression hierarchy and any criticism of the “most oppressed” people’s ideas or activism are by default “phobic” or “racist” in some way.
8 - Objectivity, critical thinking, and logic are tools of the oppressors.
9 - The DEI perspective and DEI initiatives must not be criticized.
10 - Diversity (in DEI), is based on race, gender, and sexuality more than on diversity of ideas.
11 - Inclusion (in DEI), is based on race, gender, sexuality, and conformity to woke beliefs, non-conformists are excluded.
12 - Equality (in DEI) means equality of outcomes, not equality of opportunities.
13 - The concerns of the most oppressed are more important than the concerns of the less oppressed.
14 - Cultural appropriation is a significant problem in society.
15- People’s immutable identity characteristics are more important than their behaviors.
16 - The only cultures that can be criticized are western cultures.
Bull**** strawmen. Neither I nor anyone else I know hold these any of these beliefs. There may be a handful radical fringe kooks who say **** like this, but they've no influence and are representative of nothing beyond themselves.

I've read articles by feminists who opposed paternity tests and space travel (because it's somehow "patriarchal"), but I knew these bizarre views were not held by feminists in general. That guy who ran an international monkey torture network was a Trump supporter, but would it be fair to say that MAGA = monkey torture agenda?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What is "woke" in 2024

I appears to be everything the far right doesn't like they identify as woke.

As for your list i pretty much agree with DS and everyone else whi thinks this is nonsense
The most cromulent criticism of
"woke" is that I claim to be/have it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Number agreed with....zero

Who ever composed this list has no idea what they are talking about
That's because it has to be included with somebody with purple or green hair , thick rim oversized eyeglasses, tattoos up and down the arms, chest, face , and other unmentionable places, and of course the obligatory bull nose ring and Buddha earlobe extenders that you can hang your spare coat hanger off of them.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
First off, I think it’s important to understand that almost all categorization schemes are imperfect. I’m not a fan of identity politics (IP), but IP all too prevalent in society these days, and I admit that when I call someone “woke”, I’m guilty of using IP. So all of the following ideas are approximations and I’m sure imperfect. But I think demanding perfection in this context falls into the trap of making the perfect the enemy of the good.

==

There is at least one political spectrum that runs from the far left, to the moderate left, to the centrists, to the moderate right, to the far right. I would say that there are sets of ideas or beliefs commonly associated with each of these positions on the spectrum. For the sake of discussion, let’s say that for each stop on the spectrum we could enumerate 20 beliefs, most commonly associated with that stop.

Most people will not fall cleanly into a single stop on the spectrum. An individual might align with 15 of the 20 moderate left beliefs, but also believe a few far left ideas and a few conservative ideas. The same can be said of other domains. For example, we know that there is at least one religious spectrum that ranges from hard atheist to religious fundamentalism, with many stops in between.

In other words labels such as “far right” or “woke” or “hard atheist” or “religious fundamentalist” are almost always approximations of an individual, and every individual will believe some things that are inconsistent with whatever label we ascribe to them.

==



With all those caveats and disclaimers in place, below is a list of beliefs ascribed to the far-left / woke, in 2024. The more of them you agree with, the more “woke” you are. And again, no one is perfectly woke or perfectly far right or moderate. These are all rough approximations.

Far-left / woke beliefs:

1 - Free speech is less important than protecting people from being offended.
2 - Protecting personal liberties is less important than protecting people from being offended.
3 - The world’s people and societies should be viewed from an “oppressed vs. oppressor” perspective.
4 - White people have privilege, and are racist by default.
5 - White cultures are more colonist and imperialist than non-white cultures.
6 - An individual’s “lived experience” should have as much or more weight in public policy than broad statistical facts.
7 - There is an intersectional or oppression hierarchy and any criticism of the “most oppressed” people’s ideas or activism are by default “phobic” or “racist” in some way.
8 - Objectivity, critical thinking, and logic are tools of the oppressors.
9 - The DEI perspective and DEI initiatives must not be criticized.
10 - Diversity (in DEI), is based on race, gender, and sexuality more than on diversity of ideas.
11 - Inclusion (in DEI), is based on race, gender, sexuality, and conformity to woke beliefs, non-conformists are excluded.
12 - Equality (in DEI) means equality of outcomes, not equality of opportunities.
13 - The concerns of the most oppressed are more important than the concerns of the less oppressed.
14 - Cultural appropriation is a significant problem in society.
15- People’s immutable identity characteristics are more important than their behaviors.
16 - The only cultures that can be criticized are western cultures.

I find this interesting.

It seems like you're being sincere (though we never really know on the internet), but also unaware how this post is basically a big advertisement for just how detached from reality your opinions are.

Other people who use "woke" as an insult: do you agree with the OP?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
That's because it has to be included with somebody with purple or green hair , thick rim oversized eyeglasses, tattoos up and down the arms, chest, face , and other unmentionable places, and of course the obligatory bull nose ring and Buddha earlobe extenders that you can hang your spare coat hanger off of them.
i.e. the strawman/stereotype/caricature of leftists/liberals that exists within the imaginations of conservatives.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Indeed, it used to. Sadly, it has devolved :(
All words do, and the trendier they are the faster it happens.

These days 'woke' can mean a lot of things depending on who's using it.

It can mean anything from an enlightened stance on modern social issues, to the 21st century version of McCarthyism that it's manifesting itself as in many places in many ways these days.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
What is "woke" in 2024

I appears to be everything the far right doesn't like they identify as woke.

As for your list i pretty much agree with DS and everyone else whi thinks this is nonsense
Thank you and all those who like your post for reinforcing your alligience to IP.

Am I wrong to rephrase your post to be: Anyone who disagrees with me is far right?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Bull**** strawmen. Neither I nor anyone else I know hold these any of these beliefs. There may be a handful radical fringe kooks who say **** like this, but they've no influence and are representative of nothing beyond themselves.

I've read articles by feminists who opposed paternity tests and space travel (because it's somehow "patriarchal"), but I knew these bizarre views were not held by feminists in general. That guy who ran an international monkey torture network was a Trump supporter, but would it be fair to say that MAGA = monkey torture agenda?
Did you read post 15 concerning the overton window?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
All words do, and the trendier they are the faster it happens.

These days 'woke' can mean a lot of things depending on who's using it.

It can mean anything from an enlightened stance on modern social issues, to the 21st century version of McCarthyism that it's manifesting itself as in many places in many ways these days.

Which is why the title of the thread includes "2024".

And I appreciate your nod to McCarthyism, although I suspect you see that happening only from the far right and not also from the far left?
 
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