What is wrong with sharia law?

[Kirran]

I mean where is problem if a gay said I turned to straight ?

There isn't a problem, but I don't believe it. I have never been successfully convinced that this can happen. It goes against anecdotal, circumstantial and scientific evidence.

 

[Shad]

No , I think many of you here think that gay people don't want to become straight, and it's their final destiny.

Which I totally disagree .

I know a number of gay Christians that want to be straight. If there was a pill or some way to become straight they would use it. Too bad for them gay therapy doesn't actually work. It is brainwashing which is considered an abusive technique.

 

[Godobeyer]

There isn't a problem, but I don't believe it. I have never been successfully convinced that this can happen. It goes against anecdotal, circumstantial and scientific evidence.

Excuse me .
This is kind of arrogance and denial level.
Does science said: gay people can't turn to straight ?

 

[Kirran]

Excuse me .
This is kind of arrogance and denial level.
Does science said: gay people can't turn to straight ?

No, this is the result of my critical thinking over a long period, as well as that of the vast majority of people qualified in the field, especially among those who lack a bias such as that afforded by a doctrinal prerogative to take a certain view.

The results of scientific research have shown us pretty unequivocally that people cannot change their sexual orientation willingly, and that therapies which purport to do so are both ineffective and damaging.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, this is the result of my critical thinking over a long period, as well as that of the vast majority of people qualified in the field, especially among those who lack a bias such as that afforded by a doctrinal prerogative to take a certain view.

The results of scientific research have shown us pretty unequivocally that people cannot change their sexual orientation willingly, and that therapies which purport to do so are both ineffective and damaging.

I do think it's impossible that sience had word in this issue.

There is result of scientific research shown that it's possible they turn to straight.

 

[Kirran]

I do think it's impossible that sience had word in this issue.

There is result of scientific research shown that it's possible they turn to straight.

I know you have to believe this. So there is no point trying to convince you. But for anybody open-minded on the subject the case has long been closed regarding the role of choice in sexual orientation, or lack thereof.

 

[Godobeyer]

I know you have to believe this. So there is no point trying to convince you. But for anybody open-minded on the subject the case has long been closed regarding the role of choice in sexual orientation, or lack thereof.

Same here.

So you have no point to convince me that gay/lesbien people can't be straight,as you believe it's happend just once or twice.

 

[Kirran]

Same here.

So you have no point to convince me that gay/lesbien people can't be straight,as you believe it's happend just once or twice.

No, I don't "believe" it's happened once or twice, I acknowledge the possibility it might have done, although there is as yet no scientific evidence to support it, and it certainly cannot happen in such an overwhelming majority of cases as to make it ludicrous to uphold the idea that it's a viable option.

I know plenty of gay people. They have suffered on account of their sexuality. If they could have changed, they would, as a result of that discrimination. But they can't, or they would have done.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, I don't "believe" it's happened once or twice, I acknowledge the possibility it might have done, although there is as yet no scientific evidence to support it, and it certainly cannot happen in such an overwhelming majority of cases as to make it ludicrous to uphold the idea that it's a viable option.

I know plenty of gay people. They have suffered on account of their sexuality. If they could have changed, they would, as a result of that discrimination. But they can't, or they would have done.

I reject yours scientific evidence and you reject mine

there is no need to keep be in this cycle of discuss .

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I do believe that most of humans believe that homosexuality is wrong.

This is an argument from numbers fallacy as a position's truthfulness is not determined by how many people support it.

I do believe that most of homosexual people want to turn straight, and some could make it.

I suspect most LGBT people would much rather they be allowed to live in peace without being persecuted or discriminated against due to laws being passed, or attitudes held, by homophobes who claim to know what they really want.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I already made a point regarding human rights abuses by nations which use Sharia days ago. Sharia being adopted by said nations is not going to produce any number of "Gold Stars" of merit. Sharia is a collectivist idea which will only help such dictators maintain power.

You did? Oh. I must have missed it in the morass of posts here. Sorry.

 

[sovietchild]

How is homosexuality practice is not lawlessness?

 

[sovietchild]

I believe the core of homosexuality is depression. I believe confusion is a state of depression.

 

[Kirran]

I reject yours scientific evidence and you reject mine

there is no need to keep be in this cycle of discuss .

You don't have scientific evidence. There are not multiple scientific consensuses. There is one. You reject it, because you are biased.

How is homosexuality practice is not lawlessness?

I can't conceive of a way in which it is lawless.

 

[LuisDantas]

Seems we are on disagreement.

So it does.

I do trust stories , because fact is, gay/lesbien people get already relation with straight people with their own choice.

Bissexuals exist. As do homosexuals that are pressured into heterosexual behavior. I know many such cases.

That does not mean that they would not rather have acceptance for what they are instead of being pressured into heterosexual relations.

Nor that it is moral to exert such pressure.

It is essentially impossible to convince me that homosexuality is "disease" or that it should be "healed".

 

[Shad]

You did? Oh. I must have missed it in the morass of posts here. Sorry.

It's fine and nothing to apologize for. I do not use tags. I reply to individuals using quotes. I do not expect everyone to read every post in the thread.

 

[Kirran]

There was once similar uproar regarding "interracial" relationships.

 

[LuisDantas]

How is homosexuality practice is not lawlessness?

It depends on what law one is using, of course.

As a matter of fact, that is one major piece of evidence against the truthfulness of the Qur'an. We know how hard it is to reconcile belief in it with acceptance of homosexuality.

I believe the core of homosexuality is depression. I believe confusion is a state of depression.

You may believe many things. But you are not entitled to run over the rights of homosexuals, bisexuals, or for that matter anyone just because you believe you should.

I know you won't listen to me, but this belief of yours could not be more wrong if it wanted to. You obviously have no idea of what homosexuality truly is.

There was once similar uproar regarding "interracial" relationships.

Yes, there was. People felt just as certain that they were wrong and unnatural as some people now feel about homosexual couples.

It makes about as much sense, too. Which is to say, none at all.

The closest I can come to agree with those fears is accepting that people who have believed all their lives that those relationships should be avoided can feel very unconfortable indeed with the need to accept and acknowledge them.

That is still no reason to keep the prejudice. Only to be sympathetic to the disconfort of those who have a hard time accepting the social change. I guess I was one of those at one time, although it almost feels like it was someone else.

 

[sovietchild]

It depends on what law one is using, of course.

As a matter of fact, that is one major piece of evidence against the truthfulness of the Qur'an. We know how hard it is to reconcile belief in it with acceptance of homosexuality.



You may believe many things. But you are not entitled to run over the rights of homosexuals, bisexuals, or for that matter anyone just because you believe you should.

I know you won't listen to me, but this belief of yours could not be more wrong if it wanted to. You obviously have no idea of what homosexuality truly is.



Yes, there was. People felt just as certain that they were wrong and unnatural as some people now feel about homosexual couples.

It makes about as much sense, too. Which is to say, none at all.

The closest I can come to agree with those fears is accepting that people who have believed all their lives that those relationships should be avoided can feel very unconfortable indeed with the need to accept and acknowledge them.

That is still no reason to keep the prejudice. Only to be sympathetic to the disconfort of those who have a hard time accepting the social change. I guess I was one of those at one time, although it almost feels like it was someone else.

How is homosexuality practice not a disorder?

 

[LuisDantas]

How is homosexuality practice not a disorder?

By virtue of being natural and healthy.