What is wrong with sharia law?

[LuisDantas]

Let's be fair, it's not a lie if the people are (self-)deluded.

True enough. But there are many people who lie (not always to themselves) about their homosexuality because they are not given any real choice.

 

[LuisDantas]

Receptive anal sex is 18 times more risky for HIV acquisition than receptive vaginal sex.

What is wrong with those people who say homosexual practice is healthy?

Being a physician also drammatically increases one's health risks.

Somehow I don't think that works as a strike against the existence of physicians.

 

[LuisDantas]

Lesbians are 91 percent more likely to report inferior health outcomes compared to heterosexual women.

What is wrong with those people who say homosexual practice is healthy?

Source, please? I am not quite sure what a health outcome would be, anyway.

 

[Notanumber]

Urban Dictionary: thou doth protest too much

the lady doth protest too much - Wiktionary

 

[Kirran]

True enough. But there are many people who lie (not always to themselves) about their homosexuality because they are not given any real choice.

I read that in the land where you happen to live, the numbers supporting same-sex marriage have reached parity with those opposing! Opinions change quickly on this subject, so I suspect it'll hit 70% within 5 years.

 

[LuisDantas]

I read that in the land where you happen to live, the numbers supporting same-sex marriage have reached parity with those opposing! Opinions change quickly on this subject, so I suspect it'll hit 70% within 5 years.

The future sure sounds promising in that regard.

But it was not all that long ago that things were very different indeed.

 

[Kirran]

The future sure sounds promising in that regard.

But it was not all that long ago that things were very different indeed.

Very true. We've really advanced astonishingly in this area of human rights. I am very impressed. I believe we're even in its early days, we're going to see a global turnaround on it within our lifetimes. Hell, we're gonna see it within my parents' lifetimes even, and they're already in their 60s.

Brazil is only 15-20% behind Mexico!

 

[sovietchild]

What is wrong with those people who say homosexual practice is healthy? Those people don't care about the facts. Instead, they want their agenda promoted. They want their sexual freedom without responsibility. They, like so many tyrants in history, want to force their minority opinion on the majority to satisfy their own appetites.

Homosexual lifestyle harmful not only to themselves but also to others. This is a danger to society since it supports the spread of disease on a large scale.

 

[Kirran]

Says the dude who's been ignoring one heck of a lot of facts.

 

[Godobeyer]

The world's largest 'ex-gay therapy' organisation was Exodus International. The founder eventually shut the organisation down, and issued an apology to the LGBT community for the harm he had caused.

"The majority of people that I have met, and I would say the majority meaning 99.9% of them have not experienced a change in their orientation," he said.

Also: "Recently, I have begun thinking again about how to apologize to the people that have been hurt by Exodus International through an experience or by a message. I have heard many firsthand stories from people called ex-gay survivors. Stories of people who went to Exodus affiliated ministries or ministers for help only to experience more trauma. I have heard stories of shame, sexual misconduct, and false hope. In every case that has been brought to my attention, there has been swift action resulting in the removal of these leaders and/or their organizations. But rarely was there an apology or a public acknowledgement by me.

And then there is the trauma that I have caused. There were several years that I conveniently omitted my ongoing same-sex attractions. I was afraid to share them as readily and easily as I do today. They brought me tremendous shame and I hid them in the hopes they would go away. Looking back, it seems so odd that I thought I could do something to make them stop. Today, however, I accept these feelings as parts of my life that will likely always be there."



It's not my opinion, actually! It's the medical consensus.

If virtually all medical organisations, including the World Health Organisation, tell you that it's dangerous to drink petrol, do you say 'I don't care about your opinion!' and do it anyway?

I don't care about your resources.
Titles would not change the fact, that its happened gay/lesbian people turn straight.

Saying its disease or not that not my point there.

 

[Kirran]

I don't care about your resources.
Titles would not change the fact, that its happened gay/lesbian people turn straight.

Saying its disease or not that not my point there.

So you're saying, you don't care what the world's largest and most-respected medical institutions have to say about the barbaric practice you are advocating. Trying to turn people straight doesn't work, this has been scientifically verified, but what it does do is cause depression, cause hatred, and drive some people to suicide. That is what you are sticking up for, and it is a sad example of how ignorance is driving the continuation of utterly preventable and tragic suffering in the world today.

 

[psychoslice]

Perhaps. But the question of what is wrong is valid, if for no other reason because there are a whole lot of people who hope to have it implemented in communities that so far have been protected from it.

I hope I'm not around to ever see that happen.

 

[LuisDantas]

I hope I'm not around to ever see that happen.

So do I. Which is why I want to encourage discussion that might help people understand why it should be avoided.

 

[psychoslice]

So do I. Which is why I want to encourage discussion that might help people understand why it should be avoided.

I would like to fully express my view but then I will be called a racialist, this political way of thinking is destroying our freedom.

 

[LuisDantas]

I wish I could say I understand what you mean. But I do not.

 

[Godobeyer]

So you're saying, you don't care what the world's largest and most-respected medical institutions have to say about the barbaric practice you are advocating. Trying to turn people straight doesn't work, this has been scientifically verified, but what it does do is cause depression, cause hatred, and drive some people to suicide. That is what you are sticking up for, and it is a sad example of how ignorance is driving the continuation of utterly preventable and tragic suffering in the world today.

No I advocating this :
1- There is thousand of sources/stories about homosexual people turned straight, which you denied.

2- Most of homosexual people wanted to be straight. which you may minimize or denied

3-Most of humans consider homosexuality as immoral relation.which you denied or minimize.

 

[LuisDantas]

Please allow me.

No I advocating this :
1- There is thousand of sources/stories about homosexual people turned straight, which you denied.

Those stories are utterly unreliable, nearly always a direct result of religious prejudice running unleashed and causing significant harm in innocent people.

I truly don't know if they reach a number of thousands even in a global scale. But I know for a fact that for every single one of them there are at least a few hundreds that put the lie to that claim.

In essence, you have been lied to, or at least been feed deeply distorted propaganda.

I suspect that you have also misinterpreted some comments from specific homosexuals.

2- Most of homosexual people wanted to be straight. which you may minimize or denied

To the extent that this is true - and that is really a tiny extent - it is only because homosexuality is treated with disrespect and abuse.

3-Most of humans consider homosexuality as immoral relation.which you denied or minimize.

To the extent that this may be true, it is a sad relic of an unenlightened past.

 

[Godobeyer]

Please allow me.

You are welcome.

Those stories are utterly unreliable, nearly always a direct result of religious prejudice running unleashed and causing significant harm in innocent people.

I truly don't know if they reach a number of thousands even in a global scale. But I know for a fact that for every single one of them there are at least a few hundreds that put the lie to that claim.

In essence, you have been lied to, or at least been feed deeply distorted propaganda.

I suspect that you have also misinterpreted some comments from specific homosexuals.

I don't think it's about propaganda !

I do believe that you just reject thousand of evidences and sources and stories about gays and lesbiens turn straight, for nothing.

To the extent that this is true - and that is really a tiny extent - it is only because homosexuality is treated with disrespect and abuse.

I don't talk about how they treated,I am talk about what they wish/want

To the extent that this may be true, it is a sad relic of an unenlightened past.

You can't dishonest majority of humanity opinion.

 

[Kirran]

So @Godobeyer, you reject the World Health Organisation as a valid source of authority on medical matters?

And why do you think that you can separate what people want from how they're treated?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't care about your resources.
Titles would not change the fact, that its happened gay/lesbian people turn straight.

You've got a lot of nerve to sit there and tell us we're rejecting facts because we're arrogant while you sit there and disregard the most credible body of professionals in the medical world simply because they don't agree with your indoctrinated & uninformed bigotry. If you're this resistant to facts and alternative points of view; and you're just going to simply repeat your baseless claims over & over again, why are you even in this debate thread?