What is wrong with sharia law?

[LuisDantas]

Go on.

I don't call Brazil a democratic country, mainly because I don't think we Brazilians have much in the way of a working knowledge of democracy. We like the idea in the abstract, but find it far too demanding and too idealistic to be actually supported in practice.

I think that is fairly typical. People everywhere want and pursue a certain modicum of freedom, safety and cooperation. That does not make them democracies even if they are succesfull.

Democracy is a major, permanent political challenge. It pretty much has to be. And it is about as secular a mindset as they come.

 

[Kirran]

I don't call Brazil a democratic country, mainly because I don't think we Brazilians have much in the way of a working knowledge of democracy. We like the idea in the abstract, but find it far too demanding and too idealistic to be actually supported in practice.

I think that is fairly typical. People everywhere want and pursue a certain modicum of freedom, safety and cooperation. That does not make them democracies even if they are succesfull.

Democracy is a major, permanent political challenge. It pretty much has to be. And it is about as secular a mindset as they come.

So where's a democracy?

 

[Notanumber]

Islamic democracy - Wikipedia
Let me remind you that Benazir Bhutto, a female Muslim prime minister of Pakistan heading a Muslim nation twice, was also the leader of the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy - Wikipedia
Her beliefs were so well recieved she was elected in 1988 in the People's Party.

You would have to be some kind of mental contortionist to follow the teachings of the Quran and at the same time claim to believe in true democracy.

Islam and Democracy

 

[Kirran]

You would have to be some kind of mental contortionist to follow the teachings of the Quran and at the same time claim to believe in true democracy.

Islam and Democracy

Some Muslims would agree with that interpretation. Some would not. You're not more correct than the latter.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You would have to be some kind of mental contortionist to follow the teachings of the Quran and at the same time claim to believe in true democracy.

Islam and Democracy

I believe I've said this before but you are not the arbiter of how the Quran should be followed, any more than the Torah or Bible or other revealed text. People can and do interpret it more liberally than you give them credit for. And sticking your fingers in your ears and trying to paint all Muslims by one interpretation does you no credit.

 

[Notanumber]

I believe I've said this before but you are not the arbiter of how the Quran should be followed, any more than the Torah or Bible or other revealed text. People can and do interpret it more liberally than you give them credit for. And sticking your fingers in your ears and trying to paint all Muslims by one interpretation does you no credit.

I do not claim to be the arbiter of anything. The information is there for anyone that cares to look. I provided a link to a very informative website for those that like to fact check.

They cannot claim to be true Islamists if they are not following the Quran to the letter and I am not looking for any credit either. I am looking for the truth.

 

[Kirran]

I do not claim to be the arbiter of anything. The information is there for anyone that cares to look. I provided a link to a very informative website for those that like to fact check.

They cannot claim to be true Islamists if they are not following the Quran to the letter and I am not looking for any credit either. I am looking for the truth.

Plenty of Muslims are anti-Islamism, or are Islamists who support Islamism as an ideology among others in a freely elected government.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I do not claim to be the arbiter of anything. The information is there for anyone that cares to look. I provided a link to a very informative website for those that like to fact check.

They cannot claim to be true Islamists if they are not following the Quran to the letter and I am not looking for any credit either. I am looking for the truth.

No you're not, you're looking to stigmatize your own strawman of what Muslims are and what 'True Islam' is. Such a thing doesn't exist, any more than 'True Christian' or 'True Jew.'
Like it or not, there are liberal Muslim democrats.

 

[Kirran]

And imams performing gay interfaith marriages.

 

[Notanumber]

Plenty of Muslims are anti-Islamism, or are Islamists who support Islamism as an ideology among others in a freely elected government.

So they do not believe in Allah then.

Quran (33:36) - "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision."

Quran (18:26) - "Allah... makes none to share in His Decision and His Rule"

 

[Kirran]

So they do not believe in Allah then.

Quran (33:36) - "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision."

Quran (18:26) - "Allah... makes none to share in His Decision and His Rule"

Many hundreds of millions of Muslims disagree with your interpretation of Islam.

And you know what, their understandings of Islam are easily as valid as yours are. More, really.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, it is actually the acknowledgement of the devastating majority of evidence.

I don't get it !

Did they deny that there is homosexual people turned to straight ?

IF yes
Why should WHO deny the fact that many of homosexual people turned to straight ?

 

[Kirran]

I don't get it !

Did they deny that there is homosexual people turned to straight ?

IF yes
Why should WHO deny the fact that many of homosexual people turned to straight ?

Because they haven't.

 

[Godobeyer]

So yes, you're saying. You think you know better than the WHO.

The WHO has removed homosexuality from its list of disorders a while ago.

One of the most prominent studies saying that it was possible for homosexuals to change their sexual orientation was that by Spitzer (2001). He came out a few years later and said he was wrong and that he had misrepresented the evidence.

The WHO has also come out against therapies which purport to change sexual orientation, saying they are harmful.

It'd take a lot of evidence to overturn the consensus on this.

That's unneccesry explaination.

My question was clear did WHO said there is no homosexaul persons turn straight ?

 

[Kirran]

That's unneccesry explaination.

My question was clear did WHO said there is no homosexaul persons turn straight ?

Well I'm sorry for citing!

Read the links and you'll have a full view. But they say that it's ineffective in 99.9+% of cases, and that in ALL cases it is damaging. So it says it's bad to do.

 

[Godobeyer]

Because they haven't.

Can Homosexuals Become Straight?

 

[Godobeyer]

Well I'm sorry for citing!

Read the links and you'll have a full view. But they say that it's ineffective in 99.9+% of cases, and that in ALL cases it is damaging. So it says it's bad to do.

So it's does not said it's impossible to turn homosexual to straight.
it's said it's low cases.

 

[Shad]

Can Homosexuals Become Straight?

Read your own citation, especially page 2. Do not just google, read what you link.

 

[Kirran]

Can Homosexuals Become Straight?

Do you even read your own stuff? It says in the article that the reviewer says the experiment was too uncertain to prove anything, and the person who did the study said he discouraged such therapies.

I talked about the exact study the article talks about in post #645. The person who did the study came out a few years later to say actually there were mistakes and the study was wrong!

So it's does not said it's impossible to turn homosexual to straight.
it's said it's low cases.

It has said that it definitely does not in the vast majority of cases, and that there is as yet no evidence to confirm that it can do so ever. So there's no proof it ever works, but a possibility it works for less than one in every thousand people. That's even been said by the head of the former Exodus International.

 

[oldbadger]

Democracy is a major, permanent political challenge. It pretty much has to be. And it is about as secular a mindset as they come.

Nope.
I can think of one theocracy that intends for a kind of democratic election process., although only members of that religion would have a vote!

Well, I did say 'kind of'.....