What is wrong with sharia law?

[Notanumber]

This is my cup of care( how much I care about your opinion of us muslims) : \__/

Oh look it's empty!

If only Islam was a caring ideology, what a different world this would be.

 

[Sakeenah]

If only Islam was a caring ideology, what a different world this would be.

I believe Islam teaches me to be caring,respectful and tolerant, majority of muslims believe the same.

I would advice you to go out and meet muslims offline and I believe you will come to the conclusion that we aren't hateful cold hearted islamists planning to take over the world.

 

[Notanumber]

Do the majority of Muslims believe in Sharia Law?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Don't you agree sharia law is effective at imposing Order over Chaos?

I think sharia law is very effective at imposing order over chaos. The problem here is that 'order' is not always desirable. Surely by now you've heard the phrase 'too much of a good thing'? That certainly applies here. The result of too much order is totalitarianism; repression & a lack of basic freedoms. I suppose once a person is used to a way of living and being restrictively ruled, that anything less than would seem like chaos - which is why in the past there have been Muslims carrying placards that say 'Freedom go to hell'.

 

[Notanumber]

Who are the truth tellers here?

How many Islamic leaders are women?

 

[sovietchild]

I think sharia law is very effective at imposing order over chaos. The problem here is that 'order' is not always desirable. Surely by now you've heard the phrase 'too much of a good thing'? That certainly applies here. The result of too much order is totalitarianism; repression & a lack of basic freedoms. I suppose once a person is used to a way of living and being restrictively ruled, that anything less than would seem like chaos - which is why in the past there have been Muslims carrying placards that say 'Freedom go to hell'.

This reminds me of medicine. If you don't need it but you still use it it will be bad. But if you do need it and you use it it will be good.

 

[Godobeyer]

There's a scientific methodology which verifies things. That's why we trust the medical establishment when they prescribe medicine.

I doubt that WHO were verified all cases.(were talking about all cases)

I don't think that WHO give a "licence" to people about their sex orientation.

So nor you or me are Gods to know the reality of ex-gay or ex-homosexual people.

 

[Kirran]

I doubt that WHO were verified all cases.(were talking about all cases)

I don't think that WHO give a "licence" to people about their sex orientation.

So nor you or me are Gods to know the reality of ex-gay or ex-homosexual people.

So you wouldn't trust somebody operating on you in surgery, because they hadn't tested if the surgery worked on every single human on the planet?

I just accept the best of current human understanding on the topic. Also, I know my own orientation, and I know plenty of LGBT+ people, and this stuff just is inborn. No two ways.

 

[Godobeyer]

So you wouldn't trust somebody operating on you in surgery, because they hadn't tested if the surgery worked on every single human on the planet?

I just accept the best of current human understanding on the topic. Also, I know my own orientation, and I know plenty of LGBT+ people, and this stuff just is inborn. No two ways.

Not same thing.

surgery not same a human life experiences.

So,I can't deny the life experience of homosexual people whom turned straight just because some said it's does not happened to my friends."people I know".

 

[Kirran]

Not same thing.

surgery not same a human life experiences.

So,I can't deny the life experience of homosexual people whom turned straight just because some said it's does not happened to my friends."people I know".

We trust medical consensus on such issues, that's how it works.

Right, but those cases are unverified, uncorroborated, and similar ones have been demonstrated false in all examined cases so far.

And also, there's no need to "treat" it, and we know the "treatment" is hugely damaging. I know people who've suffered immensely as a result of it. Suicide is very common. Leave people to be who God made them to be.

 

[Godobeyer]

We trust medical consensus on such issues, that's how it works.


Right, but those cases are unverified, uncorroborated, and similar ones have been demonstrated false in all examined cases so far.

This is almost my point.

Since it's not verified so its not perfect result, and represent the very reality.

And also, there's no need to "treat" it, and we know the "treatment" is hugely damaging. I know people who've suffered immensely as a result of it. Suicide is very common. Leave people to be who God made them to be.

Back to what I said .

I think most of homosexual wanted to be straight, so they feel it's needed,many of them are turned straight,I know this point we are on disagreement,

Suicide is choice also.

So if one of your dearly family wanted to suicide,so you will leave him/her suicide !

 

[Kirran]

This is almost my point.

Since it's not verified so its not perfect result, and represent the very reality.

Back to what I said .

I think most of homosexual wanted to be straight, so they feel it's needed,many of them are turned straight,I know this point we are on disagreement,

Suicide is choice also.

So if one of your dearly family wanted to suicide,so you will leave him/her suicide !

Best scientific consensus so far.

Homosexuality's not a choice. Most don't want to be straight. I'm not straight, I don't want to be, for example. And most don't.

You shouldn't drive people to suicide. That is bad.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Don't you agree sharia law is effective at imposing Order over Chaos?

You seem to see 'order' as some sort of objective benefit. I completely reject that viewpoint.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

I believe Islam teaches me to be caring,respectful and tolerant, majority of muslims believe the same.

I would advice you to go out and meet muslims offline and I believe you will come to the conclusion that we aren't hateful cold hearted islamists planning to take over the world.

How do you feel about the homosexuals then?

Or the people who think that the qu'ran is amoral?

If you are nice to them, it is not due to your religion.

 

[Sakeenah]

How do you feel about the homosexuals then?

Or the people who think that the qu'ran is amoral?

If you are nice to them, it is not due to your religion.

To each their own way of life and opinions, I'll respect them as long as they respect me. And yes I believe my religion does play a part in this like I've mentioned in my previous post.

 

[Godobeyer]

Best scientific consensus so far.

Sometimes best scientific are not perfect.

Homosexuality's not a choice. Most don't want to be straight. I'm not straight, I don't want to be, for example. And most don't.

I disagree as always, you can't apply your case on others.

I do believe that most homosexual people in period of their life time,they tried to become straight, some succeed.

You shouldn't drive people to suicide. That is bad.

Ah I get it.

This is not excuse, not all homosexual people want to suicide when they tried.

 

[Kirran]

Sometimes best scientific are not perfect.

Better than the alternative!

I disagree as always, you can't apply your case on others.

I do believe that most homosexual people in period of their life time,they tried to become straight, some succeed.

No evidence to back it up.

Do you know any gay people? Any bisexual people? Any polysexual people? Any pansexual people? Any asexual people? Anybody who doesn't fit any such boxes at all (such as myself)?

Ah I get it.

This is not excuse, not all homosexual people want to suicide when they tried.

What?

"It doesn't matter if excessive racism causes ethnic minorities to be more depressed and more likely to commit suicide because it's their choice if they do it"

 

[Electus de Lumine]

To each their own way of life and opinions, I'll respect them as long as they respect me. And yes I believe my religion does play a part in this like I've mentioned in my previous post.

Why?

Your religion asks Muslims to impose tyrannical laws that certainly do not respect them.

 

[Godobeyer]

Better than the alternative!

alternative is reality and people experiences.

No evidence to back it up.

Do you know any gay people? Any bisexual people? Any polysexual people? Any pansexual people? Any asexual people? Anybody who doesn't fit any such boxes at all (such as myself)?

Just tape ex-gay or ex-homosexual to find out!

hunderd of stories of people are not evidence enough ?

denial minds can't match with in fact of reality.

What?

"It doesn't matter if excessive racism causes ethnic minorities to be more depressed and more likely to commit suicide because it's their choice if they do it"

If they choice to become straight,why they suicide !

anyway homosexuality is not only/first reason of suicide,could be family problems is first reason.

 

[Kirran]

alternative is reality and people experiences.

You may find the "alternative fact" rhetoric of the Trump administration interesting.

Just tape ex-gay or ex-homosexual to find out!

hunderd of stories of people are not evidence enough ?

denial minds can't match with in fact of reality.

Sure, you can find anecdotes of all sorts. But these cases are thoroughly explainable, and have been explained many times. Random Google results are anecdotal and baseless - anybody can say something on a Youtube video - self-denial is a strong factor in the face of social pressure.

I note that you have failed to produce any reliable evidence whatsoever.

If they choice to become straight,why they suicide !

anyway homosexuality is not only/first reason of suicide,could be family problems is first reason.

Because they can't choose to be straight.

Right, the family problems being that their families wouldn't accept them for being who they are.

I am volunteering here in the UK with an agency that works with LGBT asylum-seekers. These are people who have fled their countries, fled their families, and put themselves utterly at risk in a foreign country, because they are LGBT. If it was a choice, why on Earth would they make it?