The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
A poor example, as regardless of whether the gun is used to kill someone or not, the gun certainly is not a peaceful object. Neither is Islam a religion of peace.
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What is wrong with smashing the idols?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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Are you living in an alternate reality? The question here is whether religious minorities were severely persecuted and discriminated against by their Muslim conquerors on a repeated and consistent basis. People here have provided ample evidence that they were. You have failed to respond to the enormous amount of historical evidence provided to you of the consistent persecution of Hindu, Zoroastrian and Christian people in the Islamic kingdom. What is your answer?
My... do you think you are being serious?
Just because aggressive conversion was part of the process by which the area's religion changed, doesn't mean that every man, woman and child was held up at swordpoint.
And there are also the Sikh. And the Armenians. And the internal strifes, which go back almost to the exact moment of Muhammad's death. And who knows how much else.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
We can use the gun to protect people and to kill people as well.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
And even in protection, it's still not peaceful. What are you not getting about this?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I understand that people won't convert by force, the evidence is that many didn't
convert regardless of the persecution, IOW they were convinced rather than being enforced.
Nuance.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And why not?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
No. If you are being oppressed, some will cave in and choose to cooperate with the oppressors and the others will resist. What choice the victims of oppression makes on how to respond to oppression and violence is irrelevant to the fact that oppression and violence were the tactics that were often used on Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians and Pagans of the Muslim conquered lands, as cataloged in the numerous posts in the thread here.
Satyamavejayanti
Well-Known Member
Namaste,
Actually the purpose of this was to highlight the idea of "smashing idols", is not a act which is isolated and is almost always accompanied with violence towards the people who the "idols", belong to.
Why i provided Hinduism as a example is because it is probably in my estimation the only largest and still active tradition that uses images as a method of worship, and even historically i can confidently claim that the Indian subcontinent has been the largest (as in number of people) worshipers of images in Human History, so they are the prime targets even till today of religions that advocate for no image worship.
I think Hindus are about tied with Catholics on that front, tbh.
Satyamavejayanti
Well-Known Member
Namaste
Yeh, looks that way, but it seems Catholics are quite clear that this is "honor", of a "Icon", and not "Worship", While Hindus would say that the Deva/Devi is present in the Murthi which is both Honored and Worshiped AS the Depicted Deva/Devi. Plus I don't think many of the Catholics would consider all their Images as representing their "God", but only saints and people.
I wounder how may Catholics were persecuted and their Idols and Churches burnt down by those who oppose their mode of worship.
Seriousness demands some effort to honor the reality of fact, as well as some respect for one's own mental faculties and those of the people one communicates with.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Coming to the topic, please
What is wrong with smashing the idols?
The statues that Abraham broke, to demonstrate an argument, were not yet sold for worship, neither for the private worship nor for the worship in a temple.
Regards
What is wrong with smashing the idols?
The statues that Abraham broke, to demonstrate an argument, were not yet sold for worship, neither for the private worship nor for the worship in a temple.
Regards
The statues that Muhammed broke were in a temple, worshiped by people who staunchly refused to go along with Muhammad until cowed by military defeat.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Is there any sources or books that states that Muhammad never destroyed the idols? Please.
Regards.
Shad
Veteran Member
Unless he made the idols those were still not his property whether sold or not. That is called destruction of property aka property damage. Destroying others property and violence involved shows that the person is uncivilized.