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What is wrong with smashing the idols?

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von bek

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paarsurrey said:
I won't destroy the idols of peace loving and peaceful living polytheists. I find no such commandment in Quran to destroy the idols of others. Quran even forbids to rebuke others' idols/gods, not to speak of destroying them.


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Thank you for saying this, paar. Often you come across differently; in this case, you do your faith much credit. Thank you, again.
 
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Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
PopeADope said:
That Christ the Redeemer statue is technically not an idol. I don't think people are convinced the statue is God
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Noting that the OP considers crosses as idols, Christ the Redeemer would certainly qualify. From what I gather any image or object of religious devotion (or even theme) is an idol by Islamic standards.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Thank you! I watched the video. As a Catholic we would sometimes kneel before a crucifix but it was never permitted to worship it or any statue
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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Musing Bassist said:
Noting that the OP considers crosses as idols, Christ the Redeemer would certainly qualify. From what I gather any image or object of religious devotion (or even theme) is an idol by Islamic standards.
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How is it not? They put an image of a human on a cross and then sell it across the markets.

lovesong said:
Finally! Finally you make a thread asking what is wrong with something that is actually wrong. I've been waiting for this! I didn't think it would ever actually happen.
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Do you agree with my music topic?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
sovietchild said: ↑
Prophet Luqmaan once said to his son "O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice."
LuisDantas said:
Idolatry may or may not be wrong. To some degree that is a matter of opinion, of personal preference even.

However, there is hardly any moral ground to speak of when one decides to destroy someone else's objects of religious significance.

There is also a practical problem: if you feel entitled to destroy some else's religious statues, there will be no grounds to object if someone decides that the world is better off without your own Qur'ans, Mosques and Madrassas.

Unless you are willing to bet that people will feel so grateful for your decision to disrespect their beliefs that they will immediately sympathise with your perspective and forgive you completely? I would advise you not to do such a thing. You are bound to cause a lot of suffering to yourself and others, for no good reason whatsoever.
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"O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice."
The verse does not speak of demolishing the idols. Is it? Please
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The Kilted Heathen

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
sovietchild said:
What are you chatting about? Are you chatting about destroying bridges to slow your enemy down?
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It's a phrase. Let me put it to you more bluntly.

Right now, in America, there is talk of Muslims being deported. Of them being forced to register, akin to the Jews in Nazi Germany. Some people are willing to register as Muslim as a symbol of solidarity, even though they don't share your faith.

If you're this willing to disrespect and vandalize other beliefs and religions, why should others bother themselves with preserving your beliefs? That we might be next is irrelevant, when from what's being displayed by you is that it would make no difference anyways. You don't respect our beliefs and our religions; why should we expect you to come to our defense?

You are setting such a poor example for Islam. I would argue just as bad as that of ISIL; where they kill and destroy, you're simply okay with the destruction and somehow think you're still peaceful. Passive excuse of destruction and oppression is still approval of it, and worse still in that you cling to the illusion of peacefulness.
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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paarsurrey said:
sovietchild said: ↑
Prophet Luqmaan once said to his son "O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice."

"O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice."
The verse does not speak of demolishing the idols. Is it? Please
Regards
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Ahmadi, didn't Prophet Muhammad destroyed idols?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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PopeADope said:
That Christ the Redeemer statue is technically not an idol. I don't think people are convinced the statue is God
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A good point. Statue as Supreme God that is worshiped is different from an idol that is not worshiped. To worship a statue is height of superstition. Erecting an idol with own/human hands and to worship it as god is unreasonable and unjustified, hence only a superstition.

Prophet King Solomon had engineers who made statues for the state, it is very much mentioned in Quran, with praise:
Quran Verse (34:13)




Sahih International: They made for him what he willed of elevated chambers, statues, bowls like reservoirs, and stationary kettles. [We said], "Work, O family of David, in gratitude." And few of My servants are grateful.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
The Ragin Pagan said:
Nor do those who utilize idols believe that their statues are gods. They are representations.

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But why should be one superstitious.
There is no commandment in Veda/Yajurveda to erect idols and to worship them. Please quote from Veda/Yajurveda, if there is any. Right? Please
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The Kilted Heathen

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
The Kilted Heathen

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
paarsurrey said:
But why should be one superstitious.
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You missed the point of the video, it seems. If you destroy my idols, you do no harm to the Gods because the idols are not the Gods. Yet they are artwork that I created, and such an action is fully understood as an attack on my Gods, my beliefs, and the destruction of something that I did in love and worship of those Gods. It is grossly disrespectful.

There is no commandment in Veda/Yajurveda
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I am not a Hindu, and don't care what the Vedas or Yajurvedas say.
 
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