Unveiled Artist
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I was asking the difference between the two since you separated the two.
It's a curious question not a challenge. You don't have to answer. I just thought conversation was a good way to begin the morning.
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What is your God?
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I was asking the difference between the two since you separated the two.
It's a curious question not a challenge. You don't have to answer. I just thought conversation was a good way to begin the morning.
Colt
Well-Known Member
My God is the Universal Father. Truth, beauty, goodness, mercy, righteousness, love as well as his attributes all come to mind.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
"...the things of God are apparent in what was made..."
Even the first few of the ten commandments concerning "God" are correct in principle even if a self-aware God did not exist.
It is not difficult to see how universal adherence to the latter commandments would cause the world to be a wonderful place, but being anchored in absolute, universal truth is necessary.
It just so happens that truth is/became self-aware.
That basic universal truth is simple and can not be changed -call it most basic math, logic, physics -whatever. Upon that all else rests and from that all develops or is built.
That truth necessarily developed self-awareness before making all else possible -as a "self" is a mechanism which is able to understand present states and so create otherwise-impossible states.
"I AM THAT AM"
firedragon
Veteran Member
The preacher in my opinion has misunderstood what he tried to achieve. But I would like to ask you what his source of knowledge is.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
Knowledge.
Empathy.
Honesty.
Compromise.
Tolerance.
Autonomy.
Foresight.
Responsibility.
Pragmatism.
Simplicity.
Communication.
Forebearance.
Moderation.
Mercy.
WalterTrull
Godfella
Not sure I understand the OP. Mud is right on though. God is the father. Whatever gives us life from moment to moment is God. Do I understand God? Not really. But, I'm alive, so there's God. (My personal belief is that God is mental "in heaven".) It may be that the OP is talking about something else.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
He didn't have a source. He was "translating" what God meant (as a former Christian) so that the majority of nonbelievers can understand the context without being thrown off by the word itself (via their biases and experiences in the Christian faith).
God is an idiom for the value(s) people can't live without: love, Grace, faith are some examples for many Christians. Others from different faiths and worldviews see "god" differently.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I understand what you say. And its an interesting post and I appreciate it. I am only wondering if its his own theory or if its taken from something that already exists.
In theology, God is not really something people cant live without. I mean as far as I have known. God or deity is something that you focus on, revere, worship or what ever word you wish to use in English. Like money, children, your own ego, etc etc. In many theologies. I am stating this in the context of your post.
And this is grounded on existing theologies and their actual teachings.
That is why I asked if the god description in your post had a source of knowledge or if its a theory of this preacher.
But thanks for your response. Have a great day .
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I know that Unitarian Universalism has atheist members, but I would be very surprised to find that the majority of members are atheist. And if a person is involved with UU, then they ARE religious.
I am a staunch monotheist -- the Divine is united, not fragmented. The so-called "gods" you list are not actually separate beings, but character traits.
So I believe in the Creator of the universe, teh source that underlies all, who cares about how we treat each other. Additionally, I do believe this Creator has a unique relationship with Israel.
Unknowable
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yeah. All the sermons and the UU church I used to go to have a "church/protestant" separation view to where members don't align with the christian God just the "God of their understanding." It used to be separate-Universalist (no hell; all saved) and Unitarian (no trinity) as it broke from I think calvanist views and literalism interpretation in scripture.
The merge in 1961 with still old Christian roots diluted more into a democratic political/religious organization here in the states. Its loosing it's religion and becoming a lot more inclusive to where in my opinion it's loosing it's identity.
You can find Unitarian churches rather than UU and I think they are more monotheist. UU, not so much cause of history etc.
God meaning an something, and idea, or maybe someone that you cannot live without. I'd hope people would look outside the box hence why the sermon...people get stuck on God and not the point. Semantics.
I thought maybe people would get I'm talking about the values they can't live without the monotheism or polytheism involved.
I used the word "god" because some values are so profound for us we cannot live without.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Here's the sermon:
It's best watched in full (you can read the script or go by the OP).
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
You don't know your values?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Oh. Yeah, he used to be a christian and when he went into the UU church at a young age and in ministry he started learning the history of different religions and what they had in common when it comes to the "mystery" or divine. He does keep some of his christian context but emphasis each person's perception of "god" doesn't need to be religious nor does the term need to be used. It's finding a common religious ground without the jargon, I guess.
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The video above may answer your question, actually.
Do I know my values?
Not really. I might be able to make some up that sounded rational, noble, ideal I suppose.
But, I don't think that would really be me. Just some idea of what I ought to be.
We create an idea of ourselves and create an ideal of god then struggle with both since neither are real, imo.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Im so sorry. I didnt see a video. So that would answer some questions I suppose.
I have never heard of the UU church. Lets see. Thanks.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No worries. I just posted it.
My last breath? In that case, I'd call "Meher Baba" - not a quality but the God-man's name in his most recent advent.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Its always fantastic to learn something new mate. So I should thank you.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
What does Meher Baba mean?
Does it have attributes that most describe it?
Not sure where god-man name come from. God is just a label I used to denote one's profound value(s) he or she cannot live without (their life depends on these values that without one cannot survive mentally and/or physically). Whether that amounts to love and grace in the christian faith, consciousness in the Hindu faith, truth, or emptiness, or so have you.