What is your opinion of Jesus?

[YoursTrue]

It is useful to know about it from the Ahmadiyya official website:
"Ahmadi Muslims hold the unique belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) survived the crucifixion and travelled towards India to continue his ministry among the Lost Tribes of Israel. Furthermore, they claim that his tomb, containing his body, has been recently re-discovered in India where it can be seen to this day. Ahmadi Muslims also assert that this belief is not only upheld by the Holy Quran and the Sayings of Muhammad (sa), but even by the Holy Bible itself.

Life before Crucifixion​

Ahmadi Muslims believe that Jesus (as) was a Prophet of God born to the Virgin Mary and was the Messiah of the Israelites as foretold by Moses (as).

• Virgin Birth: The miracle of his birth is affirmed by The Holy Quran. more
• Son of God: Jesus used this metaphor for all believers, not just himself. more
• His Miracles: A sign of his truth, like the many other prophets of God. more
• His Mission: Confined to the twelve tribes of Israel, not the whole world. more

Survival from Crucifixion​

Ahmadi Muslims claim that Jesus (as) survived the crucifixion because he was taken down from the cross in a state of unconsciousness — not death.

• Sign of Jonah: Jesus foretold he would survive just like Jonah did. more
• Blood and Water: Gushed from the spear wound, a sign of a beating heart. more
• Prayer at Gethsemane: He prayed to be rescued from death on the cross. more
• Short Duration: Death on the cross is meant to take days, not hours. more
• Pilate’s Plot: Having sympathy for Jesus, he planned to save him. more
• Healing Herbs: Used for healing the living — not embalming the dead. more
• Unbroken Legs: This would have prevented death by respiratory distress. more
• His Denial: Of being an apparition, baring his wounds he called for food. more

Life after Crucifixion​

After his survival, Jesus (as) travelled as far as Kashmir, India and preached to the Lost Tribes of Israel. His tomb can be found there to this day.

• Lost Tribes Found: He went towards India in search of the lost tribes. more
• Tomb of Jesus: Recently discovered and preserved in Kashmir, India. more
• Ancient Texts: Buddhist and Hindu texts confirm his
• travels to the region. more
• His Ultimate Victory: Saved from the cross, he completed his mission. more "

Jesus – A Humble Prophet of God

Friend @Jedster
Thanks for your interest in the matter, please, right?

Regards

Thank you for that, paarsurrey, which brings to mind the following statement by Jesus, as far as I am understanding:
"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all." Luke chapter 17.
It did not mention what religion they were part of, did it, please?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'd like to follow up a little about immortality. The Almighty God is not subject to death. He is the source of all life. We can look at a few phrases in the Bible that helps to explain. Psalm 90:1,2 says,

"Lord, You have been our dwelling place through all generations.
Before the mountains were born or You brought forth the earth and the world,
from everlasting to everlasting You are God."

How do you feel about this description of God?

Yes, God is eternal, but all manifestations of God that have a beginning, also have an ending, and thus cannot be considered as being eternal. But there is never a time when God is not manifested, so the manifestation of God is also eternal.

 

[Jedster]

Friend @Jedster , please.
My post #470 is about the descendants of (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah (not the Judaism people's one); it is very interesting to note that neither the Paulines nor the Zionists make mention of the people very near and dear to Yeshua like Mary the mother, Mary Magdalene, the Twelve where they all disappeared all of a sudden and where, please, right?

Regards

I was replying to post number 456 by @Ben Dhyan 's post.
It was just a point of academic information which I happen to know as I have spent time with Ahmadis.
I have no personal beliefs as to the subject.
Regards
Jedster

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Wow, you ask some very good question as an inquiring mind wants to know.
To me Adam did Not have a 'second rate' future of perfectly-healthy living forever on Earth - Gen. 2:17
The part about 'any living on Earth forever who sins' is what the thousand-year reign of Christ is about.
Please notice what Jesus will accomplish at 1st Corinthians 15:24-26 because it says enemy death will be no more.
Since there will be No more death on Earth (as there is No death in Heaven) that equals No more sin on Earth.
In the Bible I find it is sin that causes death. If we could stop sinning we would Not die.
So, by the end of the thousand years the faithful ones will have No wrong\ leanings No desire to sin.
Their leanings will only be toward /righteousness. Sin and death will be gone forever from Earth and its inhabitants.
Everlasting life was only offered to human life, so flora and fauna, would be healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter
Adam was told he could eat to satisfaction. To me that means Not over stuff himself.
So, over exposure to sun could also mean being exposed past a satisfactory amount of time.
Seems Adam had perfect human senses and his body would let him know when to stop eating, drinking, sunning, etc.
At this point of never tire of being with favorite people, or favorite foods, so I see no reason why that would ever stop.
I hope after Jesus sets up his thousand-year reign over Earth I will tire of sleeping too much !

Thank you for your explanation for this and your other responses to me URAVIP4ME, I now have a better understanding of the JW belief.
Judgement time is near, so I suspect we will soon find out/experience the reality represented by the prophecy.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Thank you for your explanation for this and your other responses to me URAVIP4ME, I now have a better understanding of the JW belief.
Judgement time is near, so I suspect we will soon find out/experience the reality represented by the prophecy.

.... and thank you for your reply.
I think it is good to keep in mind: the figurative 'sheep' at the time of Matthew 25:31-34,37 receive a ' favorable judgement '

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, God is eternal, but all manifestations of God that have a beginning, also have an ending, and thus cannot be considered as being eternal. But there is never a time when God is not manifested, so the manifestation of God is also eternal.

Yes, all manifestations of God have a beginning - Psalm 104:30 - because God sends forth His spirit to create.
Jesus considers his God as being the Creator - Rev. 4:11
That does Not mean all as not being eternal
For example: Earth is eternal because 'Earth abides forever' - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalm 78:69; Psalm 104:5; Psalm 119:90
The meek will inherit a permanent earthly home just as Jesus promised - Matt. 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11; 22:26
Eternity is in our hearts because for each day we can count we can count both forwards and backwards forever and ever
However, it is the wicked that will Not be around forever - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; 145:20; Proverbs 2:21-22

 

[Muffled]

Thank you.
Oxford languages gives this definition of spirit as the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
I'm sorry but I have no means of accepting it exists and there is no reason of it's existence. Various tests suggest that emotions originate from activity in distinct regions of the brain. Three brain structures appear most closely linked with emotions: the amygdala, the insula or insular cortex, and a structure in the midbrain called the periaqueductal gray.
Character and behavior also originate from the brain. For example, Alzheimer disease alters completely one's behavior and character.

Merriam Webster: 1 : an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms

2 : a supernatural being or essence: such as
a
capitalized : HOLY SPIRIT
b
: SOUL sense 2a
c
: an often malevolent being that is bodiless but can become visible
specifically : GHOST sense 2
d
: a malevolent being that enters and possesses a human being

3 a temper or disposition of mind or outlook especially when vigorous or animated
in high spirits

I believe 2 without the letters would be my preferred definition for the entity which inhabits people.

I agree that emotions are a brain function but I am sure they can be stimulated by the spirit and consciousness.
It is the same thing with memory. However the spirit has memory also.

I believe it is likely that the spirit takes over when the brain isn't functioning such as sleep, drunkeness and disease.

 

[Muffled]

When you say that "He testified that to me," that can only mean one of two things.

You could be meaning that the Bible teaches this. I have already responded to this sort of appeal to Scripture. I do not consider it evidence.

Or you could be hallucinating God's voice either in a major form, hearing it with your ears, or in a milder version, "sensing" some sort of communication inside your own head. In either case, this is not evidence either.

I believe I am hearing God's voice. Calling it a hallucination is an assumption and an incorrect one.

 

[Muffled]

What is your opinion of Jesus?


"chapter 17 of the Gospel of John"

It is to be read and understood as per Chapter 8 of Gospel of John, right?:
" 41 You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: 43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45 But if I say the truth, you believe me not."

Douay-Rheims Bible, John Chapter 8​

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Right?
Since it is very clear from the above that Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never considered himself G-d or son of G-d or Almighty G-d in literal and physical terms, please, right?
If it is so, then, to say that Jesus was G-d or son of G-d or Almighty G-d is no more than an accusation on Jesus by the Pauline Christianity people, right?

Regards

Regards

I believe yo are wrong again. Your thinking hasn't improved a bit.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, God is eternal, but all manifestations of God that have a beginning, also have an ending, and thus cannot be considered as being eternal. But there is never a time when God is not manifested, so the manifestation of God is also eternal.

OK, I would like to go into more about that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, all manifestations of God have a beginning - Psalm 104:30 - because God sends forth His spirit to create.
Jesus considers his God as being the Creator - Rev. 4:11
That does Not mean all as not being eternal
For example: Earth is eternal because 'Earth abides forever' - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalm 78:69; Psalm 104:5; Psalm 119:90
The meek will inherit a permanent earthly home just as Jesus promised - Matt. 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11; 22:26
Eternity is in our hearts because for each day we can count we can count both forwards and backwards forever and ever
However, it is the wicked that will Not be around forever - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; 145:20; Proverbs 2:21-22

I appreciate the scripture that says the "Earth abides forever..."
Yes, eternity is in our hearts, I certainly agree with that. Even before I knew God I did not want to die and thought about it a lot.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe I am hearing God's voice. Calling it a hallucination is an assumption and an incorrect one.

If you are hearing a voice with your ears that no one else is hearing, that IS a hallucination. However, I suspect that what you may mean is that you hear a voice inside your head. It is extremely common and normal for many people to have an inner monologue, or even dialogue. That would not be a hallucination, but simply a mild dissociation, where you are confusing your own inner voice with that of God.

 

[YoursTrue]

If you are hearing a voice with your ears that no one else is hearing, that IS a hallucination. However, I suspect that what you may mean is that you hear a voice inside your head. It is extremely common and normal for many people to have an inner monologue, or even dialogue. That would not be a hallucination, but simply a mild dissociation, where you are confusing your own inner voice with that of God.

That is a scientific consensus I suppose. But it is also a reason why many do believe (1) Moses did not really exist, (2) that the history of the Jews being freed from slavery in Egypt among other things, are myths and not reality. However -- not all believe that way. And are better for it. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Some people are, I believe, demonized by circumstances, or are truly brain damaged. Again, that is what I believe. Obviously not all will agree.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I appreciate the scripture that says the "Earth abides forever..."
Yes, eternity is in our hearts, I certainly agree with that. Even before I knew God I did not want to die and thought about it a lot.

Yes, what healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die ____________
Even un-healthy people seek medical help to avoid death

 

[Comradio251]

I'm curious on why people don't believe in Jesus?

Regarding your thread title, I don't know what to think of him, really. He seems to be kind and reasonable one moment but the next he turns into a lunatic by pontificating about how we are all damned to the fiery flames if we don't kiss his feet. Maybe he is bipolar?

This seems to have been the case with the many Jesus' in the 1st century A.D. Just look at Jesus Ben Ananias' actions in 60 A.D according to Flavius Josephus.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

OK, I would like to go into more about that.

I think URAVIP2ME has done that and I understood the JW position, but you are welcome to go into it also.

 

[YoursTrue]

I think URAVIP2ME has done that and I understood the JW position, but you are welcome to go into it also.

That's fine.

 

[YoursTrue]

As far as my opinion of him asked in your title, based on what I've learned about the lad, I think it was a good teacher and spiritual leader.

He had followers and disciples.

 

[SalixIncendium]

He had followers and disciples.

Most good teachers and spiritual leaders do.

 

[YoursTrue]

Most good teachers and spiritual leaders do.

I figured that. But the real preaching began after he was resurrected.