What is your short story or one sentence, Why Do You love God?

[Ajax]

I deleted the post, sorry for overreacting. I didn't understand the last part of your question, I guess I'm really tired.

Have a good rest and perhaps you can tell me afterwards if you accept the Jesus words I quoted you.

 

[walt]

I deleted the post, sorry for overreacting. I didn't understand the last part of your question, I guess I'm really tired.

Are you talking about Matthew 5:19 ? What is your question please, specifically about this scripture?

 

[walt]

I loathe my life; I do not want to go on living.—Job 7:16.

We expect to face trials during these days. (2 Tim. 3:1) At such times, we may feel distressed and overwhelmed, especially if it seems that we are facing one trial after another or even several trials all at once. Remember, though, that Yahweh is watching over us, and with his help we can face any trial with confidence. Consider how Yahweh helped the faithful man Job. He experienced several distressing trials in a short period of time. In one day, Job learned about violent and shocking events that cost him his livestock, killed his servants and, even worse, took the lives of his beloved children. (Job 1:13-19) Soon after, while still dealing with his immense grief, Job was afflicted with a painful and disfiguring disease. (Job 2:7) Yahweh was watching over Job. Because Yahweh loved Job, He gave him what he needed to endure his trials successfully.

 

[Psalm23]

I love Him because He first loved me.
( See 1 John 4:19)

 

[Ajax]

Are you talking about Matthew 5:19 ? What is your question please, specifically about this scripture?

Yes, Matthew 5:18-19. Do you agree with it?

 

[walt]

Yes, Matthew 5:18-19. Do you agree with it?

100% Thank You for asking.

 

[Ajax]

100% Thank You for asking.

Thank you for your reply. So, may I conclude that you don't agree with Paul who a) changed the law for the gentiles and b) claimed that the Law is not necessary and in fact nearly reached the point of equating the law with the powers of evil (Romans 7:1–6), although he retracted it later?

In case you claim as most apologists do that the Law was for the Jewish people only, one should think why should not obey all the commandments in the Bible, if they come from the one true omniscient and unchangeable God. After all Paul quotes from Leviticus 19:18, “love your neighbour as yourself”.

 

[Ajax]

I loathe my life; I do not want to go on living.—Job 7:16.

We expect to face trials during these days. (2 Tim. 3:1) At such times, we may feel distressed and overwhelmed, especially if it seems that we are facing one trial after another or even several trials all at once. Remember, though, that Yahweh is watching over us, and with his help we can face any trial with confidence. Consider how Yahweh helped the faithful man Job. He experienced several distressing trials in a short period of time. In one day, Job learned about violent and shocking events that cost him his livestock, killed his servants and, even worse, took the lives of his beloved children. (Job 1:13-19) Soon after, while still dealing with his immense grief, Job was afflicted with a painful and disfiguring disease. (Job 2:7) Yahweh was watching over Job. Because Yahweh loved Job, He gave him what he needed to endure his trials successfully.

This is the most disturbing, horrendous, irrational and unjustifiable book of OT. God allowed the killings of righteous Job's beloved children. Everything could be replaced, but not his children. God knew that Job would remain faithful despite all his sufferings, but he did it for a "bet" with Satan. Just to show off....Tragic for a man, let alone for a God.. If Yahweh loved Job as you say, I would hate to think what he would do to those he didn't love.. Oh wait, I know, he drowned them all....

Consider how Yahweh helped the faithful man Job.

By allowing the killing of his children???

He gave him what he needed to endure his trials successfully.

What was the purpose of the trials, if God had foreknowledge of Job's steadfastness in his righteousness?

 

[walt]

This is the most disturbing, horrendous, irrational and unjustifiable book of OT. God allowed the killings of righteous Job's beloved children. Everything could be replaced, but not his children. God knew that Job would remain faithful despite all his sufferings, but he did it for a "bet" with Satan. Just to show off....Tragic for a man, let alone for a God.. If Yahweh loved Job as you say, I would hate to think what he would do to those he didn't love.. Oh wait, I know, he drowned them all....

By allowing the killing of his children???

What was the purpose of the trials, if God had foreknowledge of Job's steadfastness in his righteousness?

About 8 months ago I got pneumonia and it prevented me from sleeping, I didn't sleep for over 30 days straight, this is the worst time of my entire life, for me this was the most miserable experience I have ever endured. To have pneumonia and no sleep is pretty bad!

So living in this situation I chose to fill my days with spiritual things and prayer, and little by little my whole life turned around, it would take me a whole week to explain how my thinking has transformed, my attitude and my Joy has increased 1,000%!

My situation is not even close to what Job went through... This worked for me, there are probably many ways that help people.

 

[walt]

Thank you for your reply. So, may I conclude that you don't agree with Paul who a) changed the law for the gentiles and b) claimed that the Law is not necessary and in fact nearly reached the point of equating the law with the powers of evil (Romans 7:1–6), although he retracted it later?

In case you claim as most apologists do that the Law was for the Jewish people only, one should think why should not obey all the commandments in the Bible, if they come from the one true omniscient and unchangeable God. After all Paul quotes from Leviticus 19:18, “love your neighbour as yourself”.

“CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW”
Jesus Christ, of course, was that promised Savior, even as the angel proclaimed at his birth. (Luke 2:8-14) So when Christ came and gave his perfect life as a sacrifice, what happened to the Law? It was removed. “We are no longer under a tutor,” Paul explained. (Galatians 3:25) The removal of the Law was a relief to the Israelites. It had shown them up as sinners, for all of them fell short of keeping that Law perfectly. “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law,” Paul said. (Galatians 3:10-14) So the Bible also says: “Christ is the end of the Law.”—Romans 10:4; 6:14.

There is much more information on this subject, just ask me and I can send you the link.

 

[Ajax]

About 8 months ago I got pneumonia and it prevented me from sleeping, I didn't sleep for over 30 days straight, this is the worst time of my entire life, for me this was the most miserable experience I have ever endured. To have pneumonia and no sleep is pretty bad!

So living in this situation I chose to fill my days with spiritual things and prayer, and little by little my whole life turned around, it would take me a whole week to explain how my thinking has transformed, my attitude and my Joy has increased 1,000%!

My situation is not even close to what Job went through... This worked for me, there are probably many ways that help people.

Thank you and I'm glad you are healthy again, but what a strange answer...
Would you care to read my message again and reply to my original question please which was, what was the purpose of trials, if God had foreknowledge of Job's steadfastness in his righteousness and also he didn't have any doubts that Job was a righteous person?
Also how do you think that God could help Job by killing his beloved -as you said - children?

 

[Ajax]

“CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW”
Jesus Christ, of course, was that promised Savior, even as the angel proclaimed at his birth. (Luke 2:8-14) So when Christ came and gave his perfect life as a sacrifice, what happened to the Law? It was removed. “We are no longer under a tutor,” Paul explained. (Galatians 3:25) The removal of the Law was a relief to the Israelites. It had shown them up as sinners, for all of them fell short of keeping that Law perfectly. “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law,” Paul said. (Galatians 3:10-14) So the Bible also says: “Christ is the end of the Law.”—Romans 10:4; 6:14.

There is much more information on this subject, just ask me and I can send you the link.

I'm sorry but I don't think you agree 100% with Jesus words in Mat 5:18-19 as you said before.
Jesus clearly said that the law will be valid till heaven and earth pass away. It was never removed.
"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
It is clear therefore that you don't agree with Jesus words, as you claimed earlier.

The removal of the Law was a relief to the Israelites. It had shown them up as sinners, for all of them fell short of keeping that Law perfectly.

Really? I think you are very wrong on this. If it was a relief for the Israelites, why 98-99%% of them never changed their belief in the Law?
Do today's Christians keep Jesus commandments perfectly? Of course no. With the same thinking, Christians therefore should feel relieved if they abandon Jesus commandments.
Are you a JW perhaps?

 

[walt]

Thank you and I'm glad you are healthy again, but what a strange answer...
Would you care to read my message again and reply to my original question please which was, what was the purpose of trials, if God had foreknowledge of Job's steadfastness in his righteousness and also he didn't have any doubts that Job was a righteous person?
Also how do you think that God could help Job by killing his beloved -as you said - children?

Job did not know why these terrible things kept happening to him, but Job remained faithful. Maybe God has this written in his Bible, so others can remain faithful under any circumstances. Yes I am a Jehovah's Witness. Jesus remained faithful and he knew ahead of time, he was going to have to endure terrible trials, torture and a horrible death.

I don't know why the Holy Scriptures include the life experience of Job. But I trust God does know.

I send you friendship and kindness to you and your family.

 

[walt]

I'm sorry but I don't think you agree 100% with Jesus words in Mat 5:18-19 as you said before.
Jesus clearly said that the law will be valid till heaven and earth pass away. It was never removed.
"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
It is clear therefore that you don't agree with Jesus words, as you claimed earlier.

Really? I think you are very wrong on this. If it was a relief for the Israelites, why 98-99%% of them never changed their belief in the Law?
Do today's Christians keep Jesus commandments perfectly? Of course no. With the same thinking, Christians therefore should feel relieved if they abandon Jesus commandments.
Are you a JW perhaps?

Matthew 5:18-19, I am not any smarter than the next guy, I just look at all the scriptures listed in the paragraphs, if they make sense I favor what makes sense. I will look at any website, I read every scripture presented. I am interested in scriptures most of all.

 

[Ajax]

Job did not know why these terrible things kept happening to him, but Job remained faithful.

Yes, Job didn't know why his children were killed, but God knew. He wanted to prove to satan that Job would remain faithful. What an awful thing to do...

Maybe God has this written in his Bible, so others can remain faithful under any circumstances.

God wrote no Bible. It was the primitive Jews who thought about it and wrote this book.

Jesus remained faithful and he knew ahead of time, he was going to have to endure terrible trials, torture and a horrible death.

Jesus had no need to remain faithful if he was God or son of the God, neither he was tested. Also Jesus supposedly knew of his future, but poor Job didn't. He was only a pawn in Yahweh's vanity. If there is a God, he is nothing like the OT describes him.

I don't know why the Holy Scriptures include the life experience of Job. But I trust God does know.

Again God had nothing to do with the chosen scripture. Ordinary men chose the books of the scripture.

I send you friendship and kindness to you and your family.

Thank you, the same to you.

 

[Ajax]

Matthew 5:18-19, I am not any smarter than the next guy, I just look at all the scriptures listed in the paragraphs, if they make sense I favor what makes sense. I will look at any website, I read every scripture presented. I am interested in scriptures most of all.

The problem is that they do not make any sense.. You can not have Jesus saying that nothing will change in the Law till heavens and Earth pass away and then have Paul say that the law in not needed and is evil. You have to choose whom you believe. Most Protestants side with Paul who said he would be all things to all men, who admitted he is a liar (Rom 3:7) and whom all churches and companions abandoned him during his last years.

I understand that you do not like debating, so thank you for the limited discussion.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, Job didn't know why his children were killed, but God knew. He wanted to prove to satan that Job would remain faithful. What an awful thing to do...

God wrote no Bible. It was the primitive Jews who thought about it and wrote this book.

Jesus had no need to remain faithful if he was God or son of the God, neither he was tested. Also Jesus supposedly knew of his future, but poor Job didn't. He was only a pawn in Yahweh's vanity. If there is a God, he is nothing like the OT describes him.

Again God had nothing to do with the chosen scripture. Ordinary men chose the books of the scripture.

Thank you, the same to you.

I don't believe @walt wrote that God wrote the Bible. Meantime, sorry if I can't remember everyone but do you believe in God? Because it has a bearing on your view of things.

 

[YoursTrue]

The problem is that they do not make any sense.. You can not have Jesus saying that nothing will change in the Law till heavens and Earth pass away and then have Paul say that the law in not needed and is evil. You have to choose whom you believe. Most Protestants side with Paul who said he would be all things to all men, who admitted he is a liar (Rom 3:7) and whom all churches and companions abandoned him during his last years.

I understand that you do not like debating, so thank you for the limited discussion.

Have you considered that you don't understand what was being said and perhaps the meaning eludes you?

 

[YoursTrue]

Again God had nothing to do with the chosen scripture. Ordinary men chose the books of the scripture.

You know this how?

 

[Ajax]

I don't believe @walt wrote that God wrote the Bible. Meantime, sorry if I can't remember everyone but do you believe in God? Because it has a bearing on your view of things.

Maybe God has this written in his Bible, so others can remain faithful under any circumstances.

I presume you mean if I believe in the Christian God. I used to, but since studied the Bible for 4 years, I became an agnostic. I don't know if there is God. However I'm 99.99% certain that the God of the Old Testament can not exist. He contradicts most, if not all attributes of God.