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What Makes a Hindu a Hindu?

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
To give a brief summary from Swami Sivananda's All About Hinduism book, someone who is Hindu: believes that the Vedas contain self-evident/axiomatic truths; believes in a religion which has originated in India; has Faith in karma, reincarnation, Vedas and existence of God.

I find this thread interesting because I find myself relating to Hinduism so easily. The way I understand it, Hinduism is a very much a Universalistic religion - it is like a giant tree that contains within it many different branches/sects but all of which essentially share core commonalities. I feel like with Hinduism there is an Avatar or mindset that is suitable in helping almost any type of human being imaginable obtain Self Realization (find God).

Sometimes I ask myself.. what about my own beliefs right now should prevent me from calling myself a Hindu? Aside from the fact I'm born Jewish and feel immensely connected with the Jewish people, I cant think of anything that would make me feel uncomfortable identifying with Hinduism. My core belief is that everything is one and connected, that we are all one in God.. there is no "us" and "them" we are all one and equal in God.. and this seems to be a very strong principle of Hinduism. I love exploring different world religions and find it so amazing when I discover core commonalities within them all - often times between cultures that are very much isolated from one another. All of this further convinces me that there is indeed an all pervading Truth or Spirit (God) - whatever you want to call it.. and my exploration of Hinduism has been an absolute Treasure on my spiritual journey thus far.

I'm very happy to hear you are finding Hinduism to mesh so well with your beliefs. Not all Hindus are as universalist as you by the way, but I can agree with you mostly. Not all Religions are the same but I do believe they are trying to obtain similar goals. Good thing about Hinduism is as you say it, there is something for everyone.
 

Contemplative Cat

energy formation
I didn't go to temples in new York, just meditate in Chinatown.
The shri ma temple in Michigan, the aghor ashram in Cali, but never very long.
but idk how i got here. God guides the constant journey.
At some point when i was going to lots of temples started wearing a Brahmin cord, but after practicing vama Marga, i replaced it with a shorter left hand cord.
I'm nobody special, this mind is just obsessed with nirguna Brahman.
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Iskon doesn't believe in union with God, so when they speak it sounds a lot like Islam or Christianity.
Often iskon people will try to "turn you on to Krishna" which is capable of sounding preachy.

Balinese people have a branch of Hinduism, America should have that to. What we are seeing in America is the development of an American tradition of Hinduism.
Especially since most Westerners end up Yogis when they take to Hinduism.
 

Fireside_Hindu

Jai Lakshmi Maa
Here's the thing for me about the Vedas...

I can't really say I consider them an authority because I haven't read them (I'm still looking for a coherent paper copy). The other "basics" - Karma, reincarnation, God etc...All that's easy. So am I more like a "Hindu in training"? If so, is that what I call myself when people ask?

:camp:
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
Here's the thing for me about the Vedas...

I can't really say I consider them an authority because I haven't read them (I'm still looking for a coherent paper copy). The other "basics" - Karma, reincarnation, God etc...All that's easy. So am I more like a "Hindu in training"? If so, is that what I call myself when people ask?

:camp:

No your a Hindu, better yet! A Whindu
 

Contemplative Cat

energy formation
I bet kabbalah points at a lot of similarites to Yoga.
Why not just be "a child of God" and forget what label to use.
its sounds cliche but Labels really hinder us.

To give a brief summary from Swami Sivananda's All About Hinduism book, someone who is Hindu: believes that the Vedas contain self-evident/axiomatic truths; believes in a religion which has originated in India; has Faith in karma, reincarnation, Vedas and existence of God.

I find this thread interesting because I find myself relating to Hinduism so easily. The way I understand it, Hinduism is a very much a Universalistic religion - it is like a giant tree that contains within it many different branches/sects but all of which essentially share core commonalities. I feel like with Hinduism there is an Avatar or mindset that is suitable in helping almost any type of human being imaginable obtain Self Realization (find God).

Sometimes I ask myself.. what about my own beliefs right now should prevent me from calling myself a Hindu? Aside from the fact I'm born Jewish and feel immensely connected with the Jewish people, I cant think of anything that would make me feel uncomfortable identifying with Hinduism. My core belief is that everything is one and connected, that we are all one in God.. there is no "us" and "them" we are all one and equal in God.. and this seems to be a very strong principle of Hinduism. I love exploring different world religions and find it so amazing when I discover core commonalities within them all - often times between cultures that are very much isolated from one another. All of this further convinces me that there is indeed an all pervading Truth or Spirit (God) - whatever you want to call it.. and my exploration of Hinduism has been an absolute Treasure on my spiritual journey thus far.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
I bet kabbalah points at a lot of similarites to Yoga.
Why not just be "a child of God" and forget what label to use.
its sounds cliche but Labels really hinder us.

Because some times people like labels to help others quickly identify who they are. If I said "I am a child of Kali Maa" every time someone asked me what religion I was I would be confusing a lot of people.
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
Here's a link to a nice traditional Vedanta school I truly admire. Arshavidya - Vedanta, Yoga, Astrology, Ayurveda & Vedic Heritage Classes They do great work.

Another irony is that some who say they are 'beyond' temple worship have never actually even been to a Hindu temple.

Same with some that are 'beyond' vegetarianism, have never actually tried (lack of willpower is my guess) vegetarianism for a single day.

So, CC, have you been to the Ganesha temple in Flushing? I've been there ... beautiful little place in the midst of the big apple.
Even if Advaitins say they are 'beyond all this', what harm is there in still adhering to Dharma?

Taken to the nth degree, Advaitins can say "I am beyond all life", so why not just off themselves then?

True Jnana, true wisdom comes not from saying "I am beyond/better than this', but 'all this stuff just isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things".

The key is detachment, not ignorance.

If you can eat beef, have sex etc with true detachment, it also means being detached from everything else...seeing the whole universe as mithya or a superimposition of illusion upon the substratum of Brahman.

I also haven't been posting here because this turned into a debate...but I am bored. lol
 

punkdbass

I will be what I will be
Don't forget the word I told you about: HinJew

haha yea I know, perhaps someday soon I'll change it, we'll see..

I guess the point I was trying to make earlier is that Hinduism, at least in my understanding of it, is supportive and allowing of my beliefs and interests towards Judaism, Jesus, and Buddhism.. in my mind it is like an umbrella that contains within it all of the elements I find so attractive in Judaism, Christianity, and Buddhism.

Namaste
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I find this thread interesting because I find myself relating to Hinduism so easily. The way I understand it, Hinduism is a very much a Universalistic religion -

True only for universalist leaning Hindus, and they are a very common lot in the west, perhaps even the most common. But most of us aren't universalist leaning at all.

Why? It's not like you think. It's not out of hatred of others or fear of the mix and match. It's because within Hinduism, we already have all we'd ever need, and more. Univeralism is universalism. Hinduism is Hinduism. Ne'er the twain shall meet.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
True only for universalist leaning Hindus, and they are a very common lot in the west, perhaps even the most common. But most of us aren't universalist leaning at all.

Why? It's not like you think. It's not out of hatred of others or fear of the mix and match. It's because within Hinduism, we already have all we'd ever need, and more. Univeralism is universalism. Hinduism is Hinduism. Ne'er the twain shall meet.

I guess I'm a bit of both. I am int he same boat with you that Hinduism is Hinduism and all other religions are all other religions. But I also know that many people need different things. Hinduism is good and right for me, I don't think this is the case for all people though. So maybe not all paths are the same, but I think they are all trying to lead to the same place. But I do agree that Hinduism has everything i need, if it didn't I wouldn't be here. But I will never say that what I believe and live by is for everyone, I think that would be very prideful of myself
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
haha yea I know, perhaps someday soon I'll change it, we'll see..

I guess the point I was trying to make earlier is that Hinduism, at least in my understanding of it, is supportive and allowing of my beliefs and interests towards Judaism, Jesus, and Buddhism.. in my mind it is like an umbrella that contains within it all of the elements I find so attractive in Judaism, Christianity, and Buddhism.

Namaste

Some incredibly liberal neo-Hindus are that way, yes. But in the grand scheme of things, it's rare, and only happens in America where people who get interested in Hinduism but can't give up their previous affiliation invent this new half n half thing and call it Hindu. Christ is not opart of Hinduism, period. He's part of universalism, a whold big deal in Christianity, yes, but not part of Hinduism. Hindus vary on it, some ignore it, some are agnostic about it, some respect the idea, etc, but no Hindu worships Christ.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
Clearly it's not, or there would only be Hinduism. Universalism suits some people, atheism suits some people, etc.

So I guess that's as far as my universalism goes. Unlike other Religions I don't tihnk Hinduism teaches that it is the ONLY way and path to truth. At least I have yet to find anything anywhere that says that, and I like it that way
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
So I guess that's as far as my universalism goes. Unlike other Religions I don't tihnk Hinduism teaches that it is the ONLY way and path to truth. At least I have yet to find anything anywhere that says that, and I like it that way

Not the ONLY way, although some might say it should at least be a member of the dharmic religion family. But for each practitioner of any religion, it is the best way for them, at this point in time anyway. The logic behind that is incredibly simple. If it wasn't, they'd switch.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
Not the ONLY way, although some might say it should at least be a member of the dharmic religion family. But for each practitioner of any religion, it is the best way for them, at this point in time anyway. The logic behind that is incredibly simple. If it wasn't, they'd switch.

See I would call that a form of Universalism. The idea that other paths are capable of being true and helpful also. Many of the Abrahamic Religions don't teach this
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
See I would call that a form of Universalism. The idea that other paths are capable of being true and helpful also. Many of the Abrahamic Religions don't teach this

I think all religions have their place, just as a teacher needs about 25 different teaching strategies for 25 different students. If fear works for you, then you're drawn to a faith of fear. It can move you from one stage to another. Fear instilled in in children only works until the child is bigger than you.

So I don't agree that all faiths can lead you to the same place. Obviously, I can't get to Christian heaven by practicing Hinduism. I don't even believe it exists. Nor can a Christian get to moksha. He doesn't even believe it exists. :)
 

punkdbass

I will be what I will be
True only for universalist leaning Hindus, and they are a very common lot in the west, perhaps even the most common. But most of us aren't universalist leaning at all.

Why? It's not like you think. It's not out of hatred of others or fear of the mix and match. It's because within Hinduism, we already have all we'd ever need, and more. Univeralism is universalism. Hinduism is Hinduism. Ne'er the twain shall meet.

I am not talking about "Universalism" as an institution or concrete thing, actually to do so would be be an oxymoron for what I am trying to describe when I use the words "universalism" or "universalist" Perhaps I should use different terms but when I talk about the "universal," I am referring to the metaphysical truth of life, the Ultimate Reality, the "all pervading Spirit" that pervades all things, all institutions, all religious institutions, literally anything you could imagine. And in my research of Hinduism thus far, such an idea seems very, very compatible with Hinduism... such an idea seems pretty analogous to what is described as the Vedas, IMO.

As for the part I bolded in your quote, this makes sense to me.. but I guess where we differ (and in my mind, the difference is purely an issue of semantics) is that you would be more inclined to say universalism is within Hinduism (i.e. everything you need plus more is within Hindusim as you've said); whereas I would be more likely to say Hinduism is within universalism. In other words, using the explanation I gave above, you would be more likely to say (correct me if I'm wrong) that metaphysical truth is contained within Hinduism, while I would be more likely to say Hinduism is contained within metaphysical truth.

Some incredibly liberal neo-Hindus are that way, yes. But in the grand scheme of things, it's rare, and only happens in America where people who get interested in Hinduism but can't give up their previous affiliation invent this new half n half thing and call it Hindu. Christ is not opart of Hinduism, period. He's part of universalism, a whold big deal in Christianity, yes, but not part of Hinduism. Hindus vary on it, some ignore it, some are agnostic about it, some respect the idea, etc, but no Hindu worships Christ.

On one hand you say Christ is not a part of Hinduism, "period" (is this merely your opinion or are you trying to speak authoritatively for Hinduism as a whole?) - but on another hand you say Hindus vary on this.. and that some seem be more allowing of giving him a "place" within Hinduism. Is it wrong to say that Hinduism, in general, would regard Christ as a respectable Avatar or teacher of Yoga? That Hindu's would respect Christ as being able to help many people (primarily Christians) obtain union with God? In my research of Hinduism thus far, the main answer I have found is that Hinduism does view Christ this way.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
I think all religions have their place, just as a teacher needs about 25 different teaching strategies for 25 different students. If fear works for you, then you're drawn to a faith of fear. It can move you from one stage to another. Fear instilled in in children only works until the child is bigger than you.

So I don't agree that all faiths can lead you to the same place. Obviously, I can't get to Christian heaven by practicing Hinduism. I don't even believe it exists. Nor can a Christian get to moksha. He doesn't even believe it exists. :)

Well we have already had this conversation before. No need to rehash it. What I mean by the "same place" is more or less spiritual growth
 
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