What makes Islam a religion of peace

[markymark]

And was not Christianity spread by the sword? How do you justify the Crusades or the Inquisition?

John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

yes i have said some people used Christianity for bad - i did not deny he crusades they were bad - but they wer going outside of what the bible teaches

BUT THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM ,THE EXAMPLE THAT ALL MUSLIMS LIVE BY WAS A POLTICAL WARLORD THAT KILLED MANY IN BATTLE FOR 8 YEARS - MOST OF HIS ADULT LIFE WAS INVOLVED IN WAR

why cant you understand the differences between those 2 concepts or do you choose not to - the founder of Christianity Jesus was a man of peace

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

yes i have said some people used Christianity for bad - i did not deny he crusades they were bad - but they wer going outside of what the bible teaches

If the Crusades were bad then how do you justify your attacks on Islam now?

BUT THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM ,THE EXAMPLE THAT ALL MUSLIMS LIVE BY WAS A POLTICAL WARLORD THAT KILLED MANY IN BATTLE FOR 8 YEARS - MOST OF HIS ADULT LIFE WAS INVOLVED IN WAR

Shouting doesn't make it any more significant.

why cant you understand the differences between those 2 concepts or do you choose not to - the founder of Christianity Jesus was a man of peace

And you can't understand that just because one of the Abrahamic Prophets was lucky enough to live in a time where he didn't have to go to war doesn't magically make him superior to all others. We understand that you love Christ, that's a wonderful thing. But I doubt he would support your hatred and attacks on others.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

sorry epic fail

cant you read - as i have said before over and over - thte bile instructs us to live by the NT , there is no NT in the quran , so pls provide anything from the NT regarding the treatment of woman and unbelievers

So, you are a Marcionite? You think the OT should be disregarded totally? Really, your ability to rebuild Christianity in your own image is astounding. Why do you think anyone should take you seriously when you don't even allow Christians to be Christian.

 

[markymark]

If the Crusades were bad then how do you justify your attacks on Islam now?


Shouting doesn't make it any more significant.



And you can't understand that just because one of the Abrahamic Prophets was lucky enough to live in a time where he didn't have to go to war doesn't magically make him superior to all others. We understand that you love Christ, that's a wonderful thing. But I doubt he would support your hatred and attacks on others.

WHAT , there were loads of wars in Abrahamic time ...have you ever read the bible .....but the founder of Christianity was not involved in war..its not rocket science .....hatred and attackes , well firstly Christians belief muammed and the devil are one and the same ..just in another form

secondly i am attacking a thief if i say to him its wrong to steal ...no just telling the truth ...same applies here

my attacks are on muhammed as again the founder of islam was a political warlord thas was involved in war most of his adult life - and hes is the example to all muslims......thats why ......the difference is

when Jesus life was under attack he gave himself up to be crucified instead of using his followers in war like muhammed , muhammed is one on started the war after he attacked his home town for 8 years - why cant you understand that ?

tell me one thing if Muhammed was a man of peace and pacifists why did muhammed not give himself up when his life was under threat like Jesus did ?

Shouting doesn't make it any more significant.

 

[markymark]

So, you are a Marcionite? You think the OT should be disregarded totally? Really, your ability to rebuild Christianity in your own image is astounding. Why do you think anyone should take you seriously when you don't even allow Christians to be Christian.

not all buts that what we are instructed to live by ...so thats waht we live by ...its good to understand why we needed the NT...and OT explains that ..but Christains do not live by that

wow your argument is really starting to fall apart

 

[markymark]

If the Crusades were bad then how do you justify your attacks on Islam now?



Shouting doesn't make it any more significant.



And you can't understand that just because one of the Abrahamic Prophets was lucky enough to live in a time where he didn't have to go to war doesn't magically make him superior to all others. We understand that you love Christ, that's a wonderful thing. But I doubt he would support your hatred and attacks on others.

nobody has to go to war they choose to....like muhammed when he attcked his former home town

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

WHAT , there were loads of wars in Abrahamic time ...have you ever read the bible .....but the founder of Christianity was not involved in war..its not rocket science .....hatred and attackes , well firstly Christians belief muammed and the devil are one and the same ..just in another form.

Name the wars that were going on during Christ's time? I'm unaware of any that would have affected his life. The first revolt was in 66, more than 30 years after Jesus' death. If Jesus was born during a time of war it's very likely he would have been a warrior rather than a carpenter.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

nobody has to go to war they choose to....like muhammed when he attcked his former home town

:biglaugh: Take a few history classes why don't you? :biglaugh:

 

[markymark]

Name the wars that were going on during Christ's time? I'm unaware of any that would have affected his life. The first revolt was in 66, more than 30 years after Jesus' death. If Jesus was born during a time of war it's very likely he would have been a warrior rather than a carpenter.

mate are you serious , there was no war between muhammed and his former home town till he attacked them with his followers and then put the rest of Arabia to the sword .

there could also have been a war with the romans if Jesus and his followers had decided to attack those he tried to kill him - instead he gave himsef up as he was a pacifier and a man of peace.

again i will repeat the same question you have refused to answer it

lets try again

tell me one thing if Muhammed was a man of peace and pacifists why did muhammed not give himself up when his life was under threat like Jesus did to prevent a war ?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

tell me one thing if Muhammed was a man of peace and pacifists why did muhammed not give himself up when his life was under threat like Jesus did to prevent a war ?

Because he wasn't Jesus. I understand that you want to hold up this statement as some kind of proof that Mohammed was evil but I fail to see why. I guess if you want to go all Gandhi and declare all war to be inherently evil that's your business but don't expect the rest of us to buy it.

I'm tired of all the BS, time to look for a more sensible thread.

 

[bigbadgirl]

Islam is often referd to by Muslims as the religion of peace , i just wanted to know why that is , surely for something to get that label it must have done something very peaceful , so what was that ?

The founder of islam -Muhammed spread islam by the sword , before that islam did not spread but after Muhammed took to the sword and got an army behind him , he became a political warlord.i mean i can understand Christianity receiving that label as its founder -Jesus was crucified for no fault and lived a life of peace and love that many chrisitans follow.

It seems as alot of muslism around the world today or simpy following Muhammed as there seems to be alot of violence linked with islam and i dont think thasts just the media.##So waht has Islam done regarding peace to get the lable as the religion of peace , its a very simple question - i hope i will get an intelligent response.

Many thanks for your time

Absolutely nothing makes Islam a religion of peace. The different sects of Islam have been trying to eliminate each other for hundreds of years. Not to mention their non-tolerance for other faiths.

 

[godlikemadman]

how many times do i have to say this.

I'm going to put it in really big letters so you can actually see it this time, even though i've posted it what, 4 times already.

Muhammad NEVER instigated war against the Meccans. The Meccans persecuted him and his people, and he was forced under fear of OBLITERATION and DEATH to defend Medina, the city he migrated to. He did NOT attack ANYONE, and those 8 years were not a continuous time of war. He did not have the luxury of being the 'SON OF GOD', and thus didn't give himself up to be murdered as Jesus did. Get these facts through your head.



someone please back me up? :help::sad4:

 

[gnostic]

Sorry, but I can't hear you, godlikemadman. Can you speak up?

 

[Gharib]

how many times do i have to say this.

I'm going to put it in really big letters so you can actually see it this time, even though i've posted it what, 4 times already.

Muhammad NEVER instigated war against the Meccans. The Meccans persecuted him and his people, and he was forced under fear of OBLITERATION and DEATH to defend Medina, the city he migrated to. He did NOT attack ANYONE, and those 8 years were not a continuous time of war. He did not have the luxury of being the 'SON OF GOD', and thus didn't give himself up to be murdered as Jesus did. Get these facts through your head.



someone please back me up? :help::sad4:

Good post, thanks for your sincerity and honesty. throughout history the Islamic state never started a war simply to get rid of the other people. all the wars that is took part in were either for the defense of the islamic state and it's people or in defense of the rights of people, muslim or non-muslim, being oppressed. having said that, no muslim denies that the past generations have fought wars.

Markymark and Bigbadgirl wish to be willfully ignorant, just as i said earlier that if anyone posts anything truthful about the matter then it will only be accepted so long as it conforms to their perspective of islam, ie. a blood thirsty religion/faith.

unfortunately i don't have time to waste explaining all the battles and why they happened to people who have demonstrated that they won't accept that.

 

[bigbadgirl]

Do you actually mean for people to believe that Sunni and Shia Muslims do not kill each other in todays time? Sunni and Shia have been at war since the dawn of Islam.

 

[Gharib]

Do you actually mean for people to believe that Sunni and Shia Muslims do not kill each other in todays time? Sunni and Shia have been at war since the dawn of Islam.

i bet it is very convenient for you to post vague information about the history of islam and the actions of muslims so as to prove your point.

All you know is sunni and shia fighting/killing each other. we all know what, we all see the news. you have no clue about what shia and sunni is. you don't know anything truthful about the history of Islam.

and to tell you the truth, if i was to ask you some questions about the history of islam, which you say you are informed about, you would not be able to answer me unless you google my question to see what comes up. and i can tell you that honesty is not your strong point for me to go through that with you.

 

[Rational_Mind]

Absolutely nothing makes Islam a religion of peace. The different sects of Islam have been trying to eliminate each other for hundreds of years. Not to mention their non-tolerance for other faiths.

So you say that there is not a single non-violent sect that has tolerance for other faiths?

 

[bigbadgirl]

Pantheist.

 

[nameless]

all the wars that is took part in were either for the defense of the islamic state and it's people or in defense of the rights of people, muslim or non-muslim

do non-muslims has the same rights? ie according to islam, are non-muslims permitted to invade an islamic state if there is denial of rights of people including muslim or non-muslim? the rights includes proselytisation for other religions, leaving islam, also disrespecting muhammad, allah, quran(like quran burning) etc etc ....

nb: i am not a supporter of these sort of acts, but firmly believes that it dont deserve any punishments.

 

[Rational_Mind]

do non-muslims has the same rights? ie according to islam, are non-muslims permitted to invade an islamic state if there is denial of rights of people including muslim or non-muslim?

I am a bit confused here. Why would "permitted" apply here. If they are non-muslims why would any Islamic law apply to them? Do you mean rebellion as citizens of a Muslim state?

You can read up on when Muslims are permitted war here.