Nope this is being angry at the brutal and cold blooded killing of innocent men, women and children. Most humans feel the same.
And most humans react by brutally killing the killers. Sorry, but I've very little faith in humanity when things like the death penalty still exist in so-called 'civilized' countries.
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Honestly if some people in this world got their way we would be back in the stone age. No sorry, judging whether somebody has commited a crime is not up to the criminal, it is done by the judicial system.
Which judicial system? Ours? The one where judging is based on how much money one has? (I know that's not how it's supposed to be, but that's what I've seen)
I don't hate the men; I hate the ideology. That ideology is still alive. Something is only forgiven if the crime is admitted. Much less admitting, the Muslims who have posted here have justified their past. As soon as they do that they claim responsibility. Do you think the Jews would be quiet if Germany did not apologise to them? Would the blacks go quiet if the West did not apologise for the slave trade. I am more than willing to forgive but I can only forgive if the mistake is accepted and an apology is made. I don't see that happening which only proves to me that the evil still lives on and long as that is there history will continue to condemn.
Just like the God of the Qur'an... unable to forgive unless forgiveness is asked.
I can forgive without having to be apologized to. Does that make me a fool? Maybe. But it allows me to not dwell on things long past and continue to perfect myself. I try not to hate any
thing, person, ideal, act, bad movie, ANYTHING. I'm with the Jedi on this one.
Also Karma is already at work the persecutor has become the persecuted. If they still don't atone for it then the future is going to be rough.
Therefore let it happen. I'm not defending the political leaders who caused all those deaths. They got what was coming to them, and the ones who right now are doing the killing are feeling the same.
What are you talking about. Go and read the history of Islam. It has been on a constant rampage ever since it was born. It has killed hundreds of millions of people all over the world over 1000 years. In India alone the estimates are up to 80 million killed. The death and destruction that was spread by Islam is far more deadly than what Hitler ever did. Look around the world all countries where Islam rules are some of the most violent places in the world and also places of terrorism.
Numbers, numbers, numbers... As I said, people were getting it wrong from the beginning. And I, like Muslims, equate the killing of one individual (I differ in that I believe it is the same with even insects) as the same as killing all life. Numbers mean nothing to me. But the ones responsible for those crimes are long dead; what's the point of dwelling on them?
The hatred one can read in the Quran for the non-believers is as bad as the hatred one reads in Nazi propoganda.
Why do people lie to defend Islam? What motivates one to lie?
Favoritism. And also if there is a lie, it has not come to light for the defenders. So far, you've not provided anything to sway me except a bloody history long past. That's not what the Qur'an AS A WHOLE taught, and I'd argue that any verses that are in there that do promote killing were added later when it was first being written down. Therefore people who commit the crimes do not listen to God. It would make sense because otherwise, you're pointing out contradictions; Muslims here have provided verses promoting peace.
Of course the unbelievers are horribly demonized in the Quran. You were not expecting them to be described as "peaceful, warm and lovely people" were you?
It is the only religion I know of which preaches such open hate. I told you the closest that comes to it is the Nazi religion. In the UK Mullas are openly preaching death and destruction on the streets.
As is their right. As long as they don't actually do anything, words can be ignored. Besides, America did awful things to Iraq when they invaded; I frankly don't blame them. Nevertheless their hate is their own business as long as they remain without violence.
Unbelievers in the Qur'an are described in detail, and while I do agree that it was biased, it was not without cause; the first Muslims were heavily persecuted early on.
Why do you people blind yourself to these facts? Where there is smoke there is fire. Did your red flags not shoot up when you saw Muslims in this thread alone say they hate all other religions. Why is this such a common sentiment in this religion?
Sorry, I haven't read all the posts; I jumped in the middle. Perhaps you could quote some? Did they actually use the word hate? Besides, I've tried to burn all my red flags; they've done me no good in the past.
Stop attacking the critic. The critics job is only to point out the facts. If it is a fact, if it is the truth, it needs to be told and it needs to be discussed. It is time we take of our focus of the critics of Islam and put it on Islam itself.
Therefore take it away from the corruption of politicians and place it on the actual believers. I already said that I don't defend the ones who have committed those crimes. If all the Muslim people followed them, then all the Muslims got it all wrong. Haven't you figured out that that's how I think?
By the way, want to know what I think about it? God sent the Law down. People got it wrong. God sent the Gospel down. People got it wrong. God sent the Qur'an down. People STILL got it wrong. Recently God sent the revealed Baha'i scriptures. People are FINALLY starting to get it. Nevertheless, just as in ages past, new prophets aren't listened to. Jews believe that the Torah as it is is the Word of God alone(I'm not saying they're wrong, mind you). Christians feel that their entire Bible as decided by the Nicean Creed is the Word of God alone. Muslims feel that the Qur'an is the Word of God alone. Not sure honestly about the Baha'i, but I think they believe the Kitab-i-Aqdas and Kitab-i-Iqan to be the Word of God, INCLUDING all other major religions. If it makes you feel better about how I think it works, I feel the Baha'is are the ones getting it right at the moment. (ALONG WITH many people from the other faiths)
And by the way, I equate calling the Qur'an a war book because of a small number of verses: with calling Tolkien a warmonger because of Aragorn's marching to war near the end.
Yeah, that ought to go over well. 