What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[Right_Path]

No point? Is this an example of the famous Muslim humor? One could conjecture that this "invitation" was merely a means of controlling people and gaining power.

If u learnt about Mohamed, you will never say he intended to 'control people and gain power'...or else he wouldn't have lived a poor and humble life when he could have lived as a king if he wanted.

Perhaps "god" expects us to see through the lies and deceit. Perhaps "god" expects us to actually think for ourselves instead of needing every aspect of daily life outlined in mind-numbing detail.

Um, why not? "God" seems to be quite shy 99.99999% of all of human history, so your suggestion is a bit hollow.

i am talking about a HOLY BOOK IN THE NAME OF GOD...not human acts

1. Having hatred for those who disbelieve in "Allah". (Any sane person would expect that folks would simply feel sorry for disbelievers and call it a day, not harbor hatred towards them

2. The notion that "god" has no partners and yet Archangel Gabriel and Mohammed were both needed to create the Qur'an. In theory, that makes them partners as both have an "inside scoop" from the boss. Also, Muslims asked Muhammed endless questions about how to behave and he did not tell them to ask "god" directly, but offered his own opinion. Again... that does tend to make him a rather vocal "partner".

3. Belief in the virgin birth, while maintaining that the son of Mary is not also the son of God. If it was a virgin birth then legally speaking it does not leave a lot of room for who the "daddy" was.

4. There is a fair amount of evidence in both the Qur'an and the Sunnah that Muhammed suffered from quite possibly more than one form of mental illness.

5. A personal reason: I personally detect little joy from Muslims, almost never in fact, in person or in conversations on the Internet. I am not entirely sure why this is, but Islam does not seem to be fun -- at all, as it is taken so drearily seriously by the believers. My personal feeling is that Muslims take themselves far too seriously, to the point where it perhaps becomes unhealthy. Further to this the sole reason for proselytizing would seem to boil down to "misery loves company".

well i guess u got enough replies for that...but i have to add that the words 'hatred' and 'mental illness' suggest you know nothing about Islam and Mohamed...and thats the biggest problem...misunderstanding Islam

 

[kai]

considering the countless gifts God has given you, its nothing to bow down five times a day for him...one out of million gifts are your eyes...and plz dont tell me that is not God-given

i was born with mine and plz dont tell me God gave them to me,

violence is the last thing Islam calls for...and dont mention Al-Qaeda because these freaks has nothing to do with our religion..(the qaeda case requires a thread)

i am talking about capital and corporal punishment,

you are saying this without going into the details of Islam teachings...you'd better ask Muslim women for that...women are never treated badly in Islam...and the concept of equality is in fact unfair to them..for example (in Islam) you cannot order a woman to join the army(EQUAL TO MAN)...for her own good.

why cant they pray in the same room as a man or become an imam?


Thats not true

what ? i dont reject it? but i do!

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Thats just about what i said then isnt it, except you can attack to defend non Muslims also ,and i only used Palestine as an example,

Then I just about agree. So the original question. A religion that allows its followers and, moreover, admonishes them to act in self-defence ... you still reject it because of that?

42:41 - "And the recompense of an injury is an injury the like thereof; but who so forgives and his act brings about reformation, his reward is with Allah. Surely, he loves not the wrongdoers."

There is nothing wrong with the above is there?

 

[tariqkhwaja]

why must women pray seperately?

lol ... Women are suppposed to have a seperate place in the mosque otherwise they could make a line well behind men in prayer. Why?

So that men can concentrate. When we pray our shoulders should be touching. Moreover, we pray in rows and a woman in front might be ... err ...

So basically thank God women pray seperately.

 

[Peace]

Trust me, Peace, I know you well enough to know where you are coming from. In your shoes I would say the same thing.

It's a good thing that you know me enough, so you should also know that I am firm with my belief and I am convinced 100% of what I believe and I am more importantly very happy and satisfied with Islam and in it I find my happiness and peace of mind.

I'll make you a deal though, after we have both been long dead, we can meet for a chat and giggle over how silly we both were.

Let's say when we will be brought in front of God, then may be you will find yourself silly if not feeling a great remorce for what you used to disbelieve in. I am just wondering how are you going to react, for the day of judgment will be really a shock for you Paul. I sincerely wish you guidance Paul before it's too late... who knows may be someday we will find you another person, I mean you will become a believer and I hope that will happen.
May our dear God guide us all to His straight path, ameen!

 

[Peace]

Is Allah is as merciful and compassionate as you say he is? If so, why all the suffering? After all, "nothing in this universe can be done against Allah's will." (As I said in another thread, Islam is much more vulnerable to the "problem of evil" than Christianity.) .

You should know that life is a test for us human beings. And the test in not an easy one, for the reward is so great and worth it, the reward of the believer is Paradise. When a believer undergoes a problem or suffers from an illness or whatever hardships he undergo, he knows that is a test from God to test his patience and to see how he is going to confront it and deal with it. Happiness and suffering are both a test and the winner is the one who know how to deal with any situation.

 

[Wandered Off]

Let's say when we will be brought in front of God, then may be you will find yourself silly if not feeling a great remorce for what you used to disbelieve in.

Why should anyone feel silly or remorseful for what we believe or disbelieve? You have only limited and indirect control over that anyway. For example, can you, Peace, simply choose to disbelieve in Allah, even for a few minutes? Give it a try if you think you can, but I doubt you really could regardless of how you try. If you could simply change your belief at will, then it is not deeply held, and you told us you are "convinced 100%".

I hope you can see the moral problem of punishing or rewarding us for something we can't readily control.

 

[Peace]

[/font][/color]Why should anyone feel silly or remorseful for what we believe or disbelieve? You have only limited and indirect control over that anyway. For example, can you, Peace, simply choose to disbelieve in Allah, even for a few minutes? Give it a try if you think you can, but I doubt you really could regardless of how you try. If you could simply change your belief at will, then it is not deeply held, and you told us you are "convinced 100%".

I hope you can see the moral problem of punishing or rewarding us for something we can't readily control.

Wandered off, I was addressing YmirGF when I told him that he would find himself silly, for I was answering him using the word he used himself which is "silly'".
I believe in the free will, for we are given the choice to either believe or disbelieve and we are given the choice to follow either good or evil which created inside everyone of us. we are given the choice to follow the path we want and we choose, for there is no compulsion in religion. However, we are responsible for the consequences, if we find good in the hereafter we thank God for it and if we find otherwise we should blame no one but ourselves.

 

[kai]

Then I just about agree. So the original question. A religion that allows its followers and, moreover, admonishes them to act in self-defence ... you still reject it because of that?

I reject the interpretation that allows you to attack a total stranger that is percieved to be responsible, in defence of a muslim in another country

There is nothing wrong with the above is there?

I reject the interpretation that allows you to attack a total stranger that is percieved to be responsible, in defence of a muslim in another country

 

[kai]

lol ... Women are suppposed to have a seperate place in the mosque otherwise they could make a line well behind men in prayer. Why?

So that men can concentrate. When we pray our shoulders should be touching. Moreover, we pray in rows and a woman in front might be ... err ...

So basically thank God women pray seperately.

because it would break your concentration to have a woman albeit a total stranger next to you. and why cant she be an imam?


Q: Can a woman be a Imam, Khalifah, or scholar?

A: A Muslim woman can be a scholar, and she can be a Khalifah [or leader] but she cannot assume the office of Imam. This is not because of any shortcomings or defects on her part; but based of the requirement that the Imam must lead the Muslims in congregational prayer, and a woman [because of her attractive physical form] would be a distraction to the Muslims praying behind her.

However, a Muslim woman is free to assume any other position in Islamic society as long it does not interfere with her religious obligations and/or carrying out her duties as a wife and a mother.

(my underlining) so that should clip her wings


source:Islamic Invitation Centre - most comprehensive FAQ on Islam

 

[tomspug]

Absolutely not...and thats the gap between us Muslims and you Christians...you think that Islam cancels your religion and thats wrong...Islam completes Judaism and Christianity.

No, Christians believe Christianity complete Judaism. Don't try and create a false moral high-ground. Islam integrates Judaism and Christianity into itself, but there are PLENTY of other religions out there. Are they not wrong either?

 

[Wandered Off]

I believe in the free will, for we are given the choice to either believe or disbelieve

Are we though? That's what I'm getting at here... If you have that choice, then I want you to try to disbelieve in Allah for just a few minutes. I mean sincerely disbelieve, not just imagine what it might be like. I don't think you can. If you can do it, your belief is not deeply held. If you can't do it, then your statement that we have a "choice to either believe or disbelieve" can't be 100% true.

 

[Peace]

Are we though? That's what I'm getting at here... If you have that choice, then I want you to try to disbelieve in Allah for just a few minutes. I mean sincerely disbelieve, not just imagine what it might be like. I don't think you can. If you can do it, your belief is not deeply held. If you can't do it, then your statement that we have a "choice to either believe or disbelieve" can't be 100% true.

I wouldn't do it even for a try and that doesn't mean that I have no free will, on the contrary it shows that I have the free will to choose what I want and I choose not to do it even for a game. I can't imagine myself disblieving in God even for a second, I would prefer to die than to disblieve in God (may God forbid).

 

[Wandered Off]

OK, fair enough... I wouldn't want you to risk divine wrath. Let's try one that shouldn't get you in trouble with a higher power... Let's say I tell you all cats are evil and wish to harm you - they are only waiting on orders from the evil cat leader. Can you simply choose to sincerely believe that for a short while?

 

[maro]

. Muslims pray to Allah, but few commune with Allah--they put the ritual ahead of what's in their hearts.

dude , have you opened our hearts ? how dare you talk about what within people's hearts ?

.. (An example of this is accepting murders into their midst and then wailing when "innocents" get killed.)

Accepting murders into our midst ?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I am talking about people like Moses, Jesus and Mohamed, three men who dedicated their lives for the message of God, and have all succeeded...you cannot compare these men to this Nostradamus, who worked as an Apothercary, authir, translator and astrological consultant

The relevant point is that he also worked as a purported prophet (BTW - wasn't Mohammed also a merchant? Apparently prophets can work more than one job). In your OP, one of the defenses you gave for Islam was this:

There is no point whatsoever to falsely claim prophesy.

The truth or falsehood of this doesn't depend on how successful the purported prophet was.

...actually, I should correct myself: if a "prophet" can reasonably expect to be successful and gain materially from his or her "prophesy", then there is one very large point to falsely claiming prophesy... implying that the more successful the prophet, the weaker your argument would support the claim that he's a true prophet.

 

[kai]

I wouldn't do it even for a try and that doesn't mean that I have no free will, on the contrary it shows that I have the free will to choose what I want and I choose not to do it even for a game. I can't imagine myself disblieving in God even for a second, I would prefer to die than to disblieve in God (may God forbid).

hello peace, forgive me for interupting, but if you did do it it would be the will of Allah.---but if you dont do it that could also be the will of Allah.? a win win situation

Q: Do we have free will?
A: Yes, of course. Allah does not punish us for something we did not do on our own. But at the same time, our will is not inspire of Allah's will. We cannot do anything if Allah will not allow it. In other words nothing goes on in Allah's kingdom without His will.


Islamic Invitation Centre - most comprehensive FAQ on Islam

 

[tomspug]

Yeah, people claim to be prophets ALL the time...

Maybe Miss Cleo knows the answer to your OP?

 

[Autodidact]

come on...i mean that there no point in carrying the heavy burden of claiming prophecy...for nothing...im clear

Right. So therefore each and every person who has ever claimed prophecy is correct?

 

[Storm]

What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

"False religion" would be an overstatement in my case. I believe that all religions are equally valid attempts to understand the same ultimate reality. They're equally valid because they're ALL wrong in one way or another (yes, that includes mine). If we're all wrong, what does it matter how? Find the one that makes the most sense to you, or make your own. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

But I feel responsibility towards people who are not aware of Islam, that’s why I am trying to help others finding the truth.

This raises a red flag for me. Be advised that proselytization is strictly forbidden on this site.

The Lord would never stay speachless against someone talking on his behalf.

So, the Westboro Baptist Church is right? God hates ****, and loves dead soldiers?

What makes you think Islam is a false religion and Mohamed is false prophet?

Muhammad was one of the great mystics, and I respect him as such. However, even the greatest mystics do not speak for God, nor know God's mind. God is beyond our understanding.