What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[Storm]

Reposting in the probably vain hope that it will actually be addressed:

Originally Posted by tomspug Do you believe that any religion other than Islam is a false religion?

Originally Posted by Right_Path Absolutely not...and thats the gap between us Muslims and you Christians...you think that Islam cancels your religion and thats wrong...Islam completes Judaism and Christianity

Originally Posted by Storm Because, of course, those are the only other religions in the world....

Seriously, Right_Path, what about Wicca, Hinduism, Shinto, Asatru, Discordia, etc.? And of course, the aforementioned Baha'i?

 

[Storm]

And again....

Originally Posted by Right_Path
What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

"False religion" would be an overstatement in my case. I believe that all religions are equally valid attempts to understand the same ultimate reality. They're equally valid because they're ALL wrong in one way or another (yes, that includes mine). If we're all wrong, what does it matter how? Find the one that makes the most sense to you, or make your own. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

But I feel responsibility towards people who are not aware of Islam, that’s why I am trying to help others finding the truth.

This raises a red flag for me. Be advised that proselytization is strictly forbidden on this site.

The Lord would never stay speachless against someone talking on his behalf.

So, the Westboro Baptist Church is right? God hates ****, and loves dead soldiers?

What makes you think Islam is a false religion and Mohamed is false prophet?

Muhammad was one of the great mystics, and I respect him as such. However, even the greatest mystics do not speak for God, nor know God's mind. God is beyond our understanding.

 

[YmirGF]

'Live like a king' was just an example...in other words, one who is intending to 'control people', must be eyeing a definitive objective (like great richness).

Yes, but often that definitive objective is power itself. The idea being that with all the power, everything else (including great richness) becomes secondary.

2-The Quran: Most of the Quran includes verses where God tells about himself. People who question the integrity of the holy Quran must ask this:

Why hasn't God answered back Mohamed? (If you assume that the Quran is nothing but Mohammed's words).
The Lord would never stay speachless against someone talking on his behalf. What makes you think Islam is a false religion and Mohamed is false prophet?

Um, why not? "God" seems to be quite shy 99.99999% of all of human history, so your suggestion is a bit hollow.

i am talking about a HOLY BOOK IN THE NAME OF GOD...not human acts

Tee hee. Um, if the Qur'an was not sanctioned by "god" in the first place... just why would "god" feel a need to write a book to refute it? You are using VERY perculiar logic here. Evidently you have a fixation on books.

Can u re-state this question...i think there is something wrong in your phrase.

It flows perfectly, but I will make it even clearer still. (Read carefully, ok.)
You state that you would expect "god" to write another HOLY BOOK that refutes the Qur'an if in fact the Qur'an was the mere words of Muhammed. Your supposition is that "god" would never stay silent and let Muhammed get away with the whole thing. That is categorically false. There is absolutely no reason why "god" would have to refute Muhammed other than by your say so.

That's because u r looking from the wrong angle, i mean u deem no respect to the book in your hand because u do not trust the author.

Are you saying I do not trust Muhammed? Or God? Be very careful with your reply on this one, my young friend.

Thus, i have to tell u that people like u will find it VERY difficult to understand Quran. Did u even bother to complete it, with Tafseer(Analysis).

I have read two complete English translations of the Qur'an with the supporting commentaries. You have to understand one thing, I did not have the slightest problem understanding what I was reading. You are correct, as it was all too clear. The text of the Qur'an itself was enough to convince me that in no way could this possibly come from "god". Reading about the life of Muhammed further convinced me that he was in no way a genuine prophet of god regardless of what his followers seemed to think.

u will not need to listen to any one causing your confusion

You overestimate the Qur'an and underestimate the intelligence of some of its readers.

...Islam is so clear...

Oh, I agree. Islam IS clear as day.

but unfortunately some so-called Muslims misrepresent their religion.

Indeed. It certainly seems to be quite the fad these days. So much so, that it is difficult to take any Muslims seriously.
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I am no expert, I did 'claim' nothing other than that the reproductive system is very complicated and i don't think scientists will disagree with me on that.

No, I doubt they would, but just because it is so complex is no reason to assume authorship to a "god".

All I want to say is that; it makes much sense to believe that there is an almighty creator behind this sensational cycle...

Why is that? Why does it make "much sense to believe"?

rather than saying that it happens 'just like that'...

*sigh*

look around u...

*Looks around*

things APPEAR to be working automatically, but there is always someone behind the process

Automatically? Hardly. It would seem more like group efforts working in concert with each other, for the most part. Reality is not a machine for pity sakes.

You still didnt answer the 'absurd' quesion, u just mentioned the teller of the story...not the creator of the inaugral couple.

I didn't answer because it was an absurd question. Why dignify absurdity with a response? Just because you expect "god" to do it, doesn't mean that I am foolish enough to take the bait.

Is that supposed to be an accepted answer, 'they just work'...the word JUST says it all...

Hehe. I thought you would like that, lol. I meant it in the sense, "They just work. Deal with it." Why cannot you just marvel at how wonderful they are without getting all googelly-eyed over thinking they are evidence of a "creator". Why can't it simply be natural selection and adaptation? Isn't just being enough for you?

you 'just' WANT to believe there is no god.

*Falls off chair - laughing*
It might come as a shock to you notso Right_Path, but I do believe in "god". The thing is, the god I know is absolutely nothing like how Allah is endlessly described. Quite personally and without malice, I consider Islam's vision of god to be quite primitive. It is about what I would expect from a group of people who existed 1400 years ago.

the function of the car is to move...if it is functioning properly, there is simply no need for anything else. They just work...no driver needed.

O' make up your mind. First you are rattling on about eyes and since that wasn't terribly effective, you switch to the argument that ran out of gas long before I ever met you. Try harder.

 

[Sahar]

my parents created me.

:areyoucra
Your parents are submitted to the laws of the universe but they are not the creator of the universe or its laws.

 

[kai]

:areyoucra
Your parents are submitted to the laws of the universe but they are not the creator of the universe or its laws.

Hi Not4me , my parents have not told me they created the universe or its laws, so i only hold them reponsible for bringing myself into the world.

 

[Sahar]

Hi Not4me , my parents have not told me they created the universe or its laws, so i only hold them reponsible for bringing myself into the world.

You said they created you!! :sarcastic

 

[kai]

You said they created you!! :sarcastic

yes --------i think therefore i am-------help me out here, i am real not just a cyberpet.

 

[YmirGF]

You said they created you!! :sarcastic

Granted, it is a difficult concept to understand. How, exactly, did Kai's parents NOT create the baby Kai. I am all ears. :flirt:

 

[Sahar]

Q: Do we have free will?
A: Yes, of course. Allah does not punish us for something we did not do on our own. But at the same time, our will is not inspire of Allah's will. We cannot do anything if Allah will not allow it. In other words nothing goes on in Allah's kingdom without His will.


Islamic Invitation Centre - most comprehensive FAQ on Islam

And?

sorry man but women do not have equal rights in worship

How so? :sarcastic
The prescribed prayers, fasting, zakah, hajj are on men and women equally. And the reward is for men and women equally.

"And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another...."
"If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them."
Qur'an

 

[kai]

And?

And what? ----

How so? :sarcastic
The prescribed prayers, fasting, zakah, hajj are on men and women equally. And the reward is for men and women equally.

because you cannot pray in the same room or become an Imam ,are you seperated at the Haj? but i beleive there are so called progressive Muslims that do all pray together. just as there are places where women are not allowed in the Mosque at all.

Deccan Herald - Women, men pray together at mosque

 

[kai]

Granted, it is a difficult concept to understand. How, exactly, did Kai's parents NOT create the baby Kai. I am all ears. :flirt:

fortunately or unfortunately depending on how well you know him, the baby Kai was not immaculately conceived nor the result of a virgin birth ,no just the mechanics of biology , no miracles or prophecies,or MAGI at the delivery room :no:

 

[Sahar]

because you cannot pray in the same room or become an Imam ,are you seperated at the Haj? but i beleive there are so called progressive Muslims that do all pray together.

Then let us with the backward Muslims. Why backward Muslim men pray at a separate room? This is totally unfair.
We discussed the separation issue in different threads in Islam Forum:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam/58638-women-masjids-2.html#post985692
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/818074-post7.html

Why would a woman lead men in the prayers?!! Basically the prayer of the Muslim woman at her home is better than praying at mosque, but at the same time the prophet warned against preventing women from going to the houses of Allah.
I would hate it if I knew that men can see me while I am bowing and prostrating...etc. they will see parts of my body and positions of me I as a Muslim woman won't like them to see. That's why women pray behind men, to preserve and guard their veil.
When Muslims recite the Qur'an, it's called tarteel, they try to sweeten their voices, there is a kind of tune while reciting the Qur'an and the Imams' vioces are usually sweet.
I don't doubt that if women were allowed to lead men in the payers, the issue would turn into chaos...."man the imama in this mosque is hot, lets go there..."
The mosque is a place of worship, remembrance of Allah, the place has its dignity and modesty. Men have their lines and women have their lines and between them children's lines.
A woman leads other women is fine.

 

[kai]

Then let us with the backward Muslims. Why backward Muslim men pray at a separate room? This is totally unfair.
We discussed the separation issue in different threads in Islam Forum:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam/58638-women-masjids-2.html#post985692
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/818074-post7.html

Why would a woman lead men in the prayers?!! Basically the prayer of the Muslim woman at her home is better than praying at mosque, but at the same time the prophet warned against preventing women from going to the houses of Allah.
I would hate it if I knew that men can see me while I am bowing and prostrating...etc. they will see parts of my body and positions of me I as a Muslim women won't like them to see. That's why women pray behind men, to preserve and guard their veil.
When the Muslim recites the Qur'an, it's called tarteel, they try to sweeten their voices, there is a kind of tune while reciting the Qur'an and the Imam's vioces are usually sweet.
I don't doubt that if women were allowed to lead men in the payers, the issue would turn into chaos...."man the imama in this mosque is hot, lets go there..."
The mosque is a place of worship, remembrance of Allah, the place has its dignity and modesty. Men have their lines and women have their lines and between them children's lines.
A woman leads other women is fine.

i am happy that you are happy with your religion ,i listed what i consider the inequality of prayer as a reason i was not happy with it. each to his own :yes:. my mind boggles at the hot imama image, but lets not go there :no:



as a matter of interest

Women as imams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Qantara.de - Analysis Halima Krausen - Can Women Be Imams?

 

[Sahar]

i am happy that you are happy with your religion ,i listed what i consider the inequality of prayer as a reason i was not happy with it. each to his own :yes:.

I try my best to explain my religion, Islam and Islam only, not progressive Islam or anything else. What you're unhappy or happy with are not of my concerns.

 

[kai]

I try my best to explain my religion, that's all. What you're unhappy or happy with are not of my concerns.

that may be so, but thats why i post them, because they are my concerns, i was merely responding to the OP, and if you are happy or unhappy then i am still interested in your reasons for being so, But there you go.

 

[Sahar]

Granted, it is a difficult concept to understand. How, exactly, did Kai's parents NOT create the baby Kai. I am all ears. :flirt:

Having sexual intercourse doesn't mean creating. :flirt:

 

[kai]

Having sexual intercourse doesn't mean creating. :flirt:

but procreation does!

 

[Right_Path]

Reposting in the probably vain hope that it will actually be addressed:


Seriously, Right_Path, what about Wicca, Hinduism, Shinto, Asatru, Discordia, etc.? And of course, the aforementioned Baha'i?

maybe i missed this word...ABRAHAMIC religion...in other words monotheistic faiths

 

[Right_Path]

"False religion" would be an overstatement in my case. I believe that all religions are equally valid attempts to understand the same ultimate reality. They're equally valid because they're ALL wrong in one way or another (yes, that includes mine). If we're all wrong, what does it matter how? Find the one that makes the most sense to you, or make your own. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

False= Rejected...thats what i meant, every person is entitled to have a single religion.

IMO ''The one that makes the most sense to me'' is inappropriate...this one must be chosen for me(by God)..because the 'The one that makes the most sense to me'' could be the one that causes harm to others...there is evil...if everyone chose his religion according to his own craving, this would be unfair to good people.

"This raises a red flag for me. Be advised that proselytization is strictly forbidden on this site.

No proselytization...i only want to clear up some things regarding Islam...since it has been misunderstood by many...in fact i am trying for a while to edit my first post but i cant find the 'edit' link:no:...im new

"Muhammad was one of the great mystics, and I respect him as such. However, even the greatest mystics do not speak for God, nor know God's mind. God is beyond our understanding.

Mohamed did not speak for God, he was God's messenger, not representative...only respnsible for delivering a message, but no way can he know God's mind...i agree with u God is beyond our understanding.

 

[Caladan]

IMO ''The one that makes the most sense to me'' is inappropriate...this one must be chosen for me(by God)..because the 'The one that makes the most sense to me'' could be the one that causes harm to others...there is evil...if everyone chose his religion according to his own craving, this would be unfair to good people.

Your religion was chosen for you by the culture and family you were born in. God did not tell you 'Be a Muslim!'.

Islam is younger than many of the world religions, it also springs out of some of the world religions, if it gives you comfort to be a Muslim, thats all very well, but you must have the courtesy to respect other people decisions and clear thinking to choose their own beliefs, some of which have developed on a much longer time span than Islam.