What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[Right_Path]

Start by trying to prove to me how I would know that the holy book is in fact the word of God - and not just random words from authors. Meet your burden of proof with sufficient evidence.

Try this mate

The Quran is the Word of God and an undeniable proof for Muhammad's Prophethood

Be honest, read carefully and then feel free to ask me about anything

 

[Storm]

You still haven't answered my question, Right_Path. Do you or do you not reject other religions like Hinduism, Wicca, and Baha'i?

 

[Right_Path]

You still haven't answered my question, Right_Path. Do you or do you not reject other religions like Hinduism, Wicca, and Baha'i?

Yes Strom, Islam rejects any non-Abrahamic religion...apart from that, the Quran states that Prophet Mohamed is the last messenger from God to people, so consequenlty, Islam is the final Abrahamic religion.

 

[Storm]

Yes Strom, Islam rejects any non-Abrahamic religion...apart from that, the Quran states that Prophet Mohamed is the last messenger from God to people, so consequenlty, Islam is the final Abrahamic religion.

Well, then. If you reject all those religions, why do need to ask why their followers reject yours?

 

[Right_Path]

Well, then. If you reject all those religions, why do need to ask why their followers reject yours?

Because I know why i reject those religions, so I want to know how it goes for my conterparts

I believe that a TRUE religion is presented by a

1- True Prophet
2- Holy Book (message from God)

in that sense, i can't find any complete religions other than Abrahamic religions

for example, in Buddhism, there is no messenger, no holy book...the teachings of a man present the religion.

 

[TashaN]

It doesn't make any difference whether he is to be seen as fair or not when we haven't even come to a collective conclusion as to what he is or is not as a whole. Your fair is not my fair and your truth is not my truth. We must begin the whole argument from the basis of "not knowing." I don't know what is true and what is not with regards to God and Islam. How could I? I have the Qu'ran, but who is to say that this book is correct? A man who died thousands of years ago? The Imams who have a vested interest in keeping this belief alive? It is the same with any religious book and belief. We cannot know whether or not it is true. For me, it is best that I leave all of the books alone and search out what is known to be truth right now. Not the shadow of some God-given revelation which I cannot confirm to be either true or false. But the truth of right now, as I am.

I agree with you in the notion that "not knowing" is the best way to "know something", and it's definitely the most honest approach.

On the other hand, that doesn't mean those who already "believe" in something are wrong, but they just need to be open as well to all other possibilities.

 

[rojse]

This is my first contribution, I am Muslim and I believe Mohamed PBUH was a true prophet, but I feel that others have the right to know more about my religion. Since it has been mispresented by many, thus misunderstood.

Without being biased to Islam, I tried to perceive it from a non-Muslim viewpoint: 'Why would one reject Islam?'

I don't believe in Islam, for the exact same reasons that I don't believe in Christianity, Hinduism, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[UnityNow101]

On the other hand, that doesn't mean those who already "believe" in something are wrong, but they just need to be open as well to all other possibilities.

I agree with you completely. Islam may very well be the one true religion. I am just saying that there is no way for me to know that. I remain open to all possibilities when it comes to religion, but have lost my faith in them on the basis that none of them can be proven true over the others. Everyone should remain open to everything and never get to smug in their assessment of God/the world. You may be right and I may be completely wrong. Who knows? All of us believe that we are seeing things correctly, but that does not mean that we actually are...

 

[gnostic]

I don't believe that Islam is a false religion. It is a religion, just like other similar Abrahamic religions, Christianity and Judaism. It has nothing to do with true or false religion. A religion is there, regardless whether I believe in it or not.

So to simply put it, Islam is a religion, but like Christianity and Judaism I don't believe in Islam.

I will leave it to you to (childishly) argue with Christianity on which is true religion and which is false.

There are two main things in regarding to Islam that I don't believe in.

First, I don't believe in Muhammad's claim that the angel Gabriel visited him, with all these instructions for him.

I don't doubt him to be a prophet. But you must understand that the title of prophet has little meaning to me. Anyone who create their own religions can be called themselves, a "prophet". Doesn't mean that I would believe whatever he or others may say. I don't have faith in prophet and their so-called brand of truths.

Second, I don't believe in Muhammad's other claim that the Qur'an is written by God.

I don't doubt the Qur'an is written, but if it is written by anyone, then I believe it was written by a man (or men who followed Muhammad). Such claim sounds less convincing than prophets writing the books or disciples writing the gospels with their names on them.

There are more, but that's in the nutshell, from my non-Muslim perspective.

 

[gnostic]

I don't believe in Islam, for the exact same reasons that I don't believe in Christianity, Hinduism, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You don't believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster???

BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!

 

[Right_Path]

I don't believe that Islam is a false religion.

So to simply put it, Islam is a religion, but like Christianity and Judaism I don't believe in Islam.

Let me make the word 'false' much clearer to you...False religion for you= a religion you don't believe in.

First, I don't believe in Muhammad's claim that the angel Gabriel visited him, with all these instructions for him.

This means that you believe the Quran was nothing but Mohamed's thoughts.

again i will ask this: Why would Mohamed do this?

The Quran is an all-out model with enormous teachings and instructions...it is irrational that an unlettered man creates a book like the Quran unless he is aiming for personal glory, and Mohamed's biography asserts that he was not looking for personal objectives.

Second, I don't believe in Muhammad's other claim that the Qur'an is written by God.

Give me reasons why you believe the words of the Quran are not from God.

 

[maro]

Second, I don't believe in Muhammad's other claim that the Qur'an is written by God.

The quran isn't written by God , the quran is revealed by God

 

[gnostic]

Let me make the word 'false' much clearer to you...False religion for you= a religion you don't believe in.

If "false religion" means "religion I don't believe in", then they are all false religions.

I you are only referring to is "Islam is a religion?" then I would say it is indeed a "religion".

I don't believe in the sort of gibberish that Muslims and Christians sprouted when they talk of "which religion is a true religion?" and "which religion is a false religion?", because I leave this sort nonsense to Christians and Muslims.

I also believe it is nonsense, when people talk of "true Muslim" or "true Christian". I don't particularly care if you are "true" or not.

None of that has any meaning to me. If someone want to call himself a Muslim or Christian, whom am I to deny what he is or whether he is true or not.

This means that you believe the Quran was nothing but Mohamed's thoughts.

Yes. And whatever Muhammad followers may have added, after Muhammad's death.

All claims of god "writing" this or that (not necessarily talking of Islam) are ridiculous claims.

The quran isn't written by God , the quran is revealed by God

Now this, I could possibly believe.

However, reading some of verses in regarding to Adam and Satan, or Solomon commanding army of jinns or communicating and commanding animals, makes me believe that this god of yours, love spinning tall tales. It sounds like from fairytales for children. They are the reasons why I don't believe in the Qur'an.

Also. How do you know what Muhammad revealed to his followers as being true? Because you say so? I need more evidence than that.

Why would Mohamed do this?

Power.

Do I need to explain this?

 

[TashaN]

Power.

Do I need to explain this?

How absurd!

The Arabs offered Prophet Mohammed at the beginning of his message while he was still alone and weak, and Muslims are so few and poor, to make him the King of ALL arabs and to give him money, as much as he wants, and give him all the most beautiful women in arabia, just to do them one favor, which is to stop spreading this message called Islam.

What did prophet Mohammed say?

He said by God, if they put the sun on my right hand and the moon on my left, i would never give up this message till Allah spread it or i die while trying to do so.

Power? are you kidding me?!

You still think it was about power?

A poor man, like Mohammed, living in a small simple house, barely finding something to eat everyday. All what he was eating was dates and water, no meat, no fanc food, no fancy clothes, no fancy house, no nothing. He was fixing his own clothes by himself, was working so hard even after the Muslims' situation gotbetter and could have their own money and own city. You still say power? How delusional!

 

[kai]

How absurd!

The Arabs offered Prophet Mohammed at the beginning of his message while he was still alone and weak, and Muslims are so few and poor, to make him the King of ALL arabs and to give him money, as much as he wants, and give him all the most beautiful women in arabia, just to do them one favor, which is to stop spreading this message called Islam.

What did prophet Mohammed say?

He said by God, if they put the sun on my right hand and the moon on my left, i would never give up this message till Allah spread it or i die while trying to do so.

Power? are you kidding me?!

You still think it was about power?

A poor man, like Mohammed, living in a small simple house, barely finding something to eat everyday. All what he was eating was dates and water, no meat, no fanc food, no fancy clothes, no fancy house, no nothing. He was fixing his own clothes by himself, was working so hard even after the Muslims' situation gotbetter and could have their own money and own city. You still say power? How delusional!

they must have been really worried ?


Muhammad gained few followers early on, and was met with hostility from some tribes of Mecca; he was treated harshly and so were his followers. To escape persecution Muhammad and his followers migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622. This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar. In Medina Muhammad managed to unite the conflicting tribes, and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to ten thousand, conquered Mecca. In 632 a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam and he united the tribes of Arabia into a singular Muslim religious polity.


he seems quite powerful to me? do you mean he refused the trappings of power like wealth etc?


Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BucephalusBB]

The quran isn't written by God , the quran is revealed by God

who wrote it then?

 

[maro]

who wrote it then?

seven companions of the prophet (PBUH) , they are called the writers of the revealation

 

[tariqkhwaja]

he seems quite powerful to me? do you mean he refused the trappings of power like wealth etc?

Yes, he gained a lot of worldly influence and power by the time he has passed away. But Tashan's point was that power was neither his means nor his objective. It was only a natural consequence that could not be avoided.

 

[kai]

Yes, he gained a lot of worldly influence and power by the time he has passed away. But Tashan's point was that power was neither his means nor his objective. It was only a natural consequence that could not be avoided.

OK i can get that. (i think)

 

[YmirGF]

Yes, he gained a lot of worldly influence and power by the time he has passed away. But Tashan's point was that power was neither his means nor his objective. It was only a natural consequence that could not be avoided.

Oddly, we call those "fringe benefits" here in Canada.