What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[Peace]

See who is talking about mental illness!!!

LOL
shush may be he is dreaming of that :sarcastic
There shall come a day when he will fully awake to the truth he is making fun of.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

give me examples of 'EVERY RELIGION THAT HAS PROPHECY'...other than Judaism(Moses), Christianity(Jesus) and Islam(Mohamed).

Sikhism, which I already mentioned.

Native American religions, which I already mentioned.

Buddhism, which I already mentioned.

The Baha'i faith, which you already discounted.

Zoroastrianism.

Some Pagan religions.

Also, if you want to consider individuals who purported to be prophets, what about Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce?

 

[YmirGF]

LOL
shush may be he is dreaming of that :sarcastic
There shall come a day when he will fully awake to the truth he is making fun of.

Hehe. True, but I rather expect that it shall be folks like yourself that will awaken to the truth and finally understand how much time you have wasted on -- nothing.

 

[Peace]

Hehe. True, but I rather expect that it shall be folks like yourself that will awaken to the truth and finally understand how much time you have wasted on -- nothing.

I will remind you then incha'Allah (God willing) of what you used to say and we will see who is the winner and who is the loser, and I assure you I am and will not be the latter because I am talking out of certainty with zero doubt.

 

[Sahar]

I am not understanding your comment, not4me. What are you suggesting?

Oh, it's said a word to a wise man is enough.

 

[YmirGF]

I will remind you then incha'Allah (God willing) of what you used to say and we will see who is the winner and who is the loser, and I assure you I am and will not be the latter because I am talking out of certainty with zero doubt.

Trust me, Peace, I know you well enough to know where you are coming from. In your shoes I would say the same thing. I'll make you a deal though, after we have both been long dead, we can meet for a chat and giggle over how silly we both were.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

Our daily prayers and our du'a (supplication) are forms of communion with Allah. We talk to Him and asks Him all our needs and we see the response from Him, clear response to all what we ask of Him.



There is nothing in this universe that can be done against Allah's will. We Muslim believers who practice our religion trust God in everything. When I tell someone that I am coming tomorrow at a particular time then I must say "incha'Allah" (God's willing) because I don't garantee that I will be still alive till that time or if some urgent matter prevents me from going then by saying incha'Allah I am leaving that matter in the hands of my Creator, for all my life is in His hands.

None of this makes it true.

What do you mean?

Is Allah is as merciful and compassionate as you say he is? If so, why all the suffering? After all, "nothing in this universe can be done against Allah's will." (As I said in another thread, Islam is much more vulnerable to the "problem of evil" than Christianity.)

What YmirGF said in post #14 is as I see it, too.

Interesting, Peace, that you would talk about "winners" and "losers." In that context, I can't imagine a more primitive, barbaric and exclusionary concept of Allah.

 

[Riverwolf]

I've only read the opening post to this thread, as the question is very easy to answer.

I am not a Muslim; I have not submitted to God, nor do I believe he is the only one; in fact, I've recently come up with the belief that attributing the word "God" to YHVH is inappropriate because the word is also used to describe beings who in my beliefs do exist such as Odin and Amon-Ra. (I don't worship them, either)

HOWEVER!! I do not think Islam is a false religion in any way. Muslims submit to the will of YHVH, whom they call Allah after Islam's native tongue of Arabic, and that is... well, I guess you could say "right by me." Though who am I to talk; I'm not a god, let alone YHVH.

The problem is the noisiest Muslims at the moment, or at least the ones you see in the western media, are Al-Qaeda and their supporters. I feel they misrepresent everything Islam stands for.

 

[Riverwolf]

i expected this one

there is no way that Bahai completes Islam, because the teachings of Bahai is very different from Islam...the least i can say is that Bahai gave no importance to PRAYERS, thats enough to make me reject Bahai.

i have other hundred reasons to reject Bahai...but that needs a new thread

Well... that's your choice. ^_^

Nevertheless you still have to admit that there are those who hold the Bab, Baha'u'llah, and his son (can't remember his name) on the same level as Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad. And you reject it, in my opinion, for the same reasons that Jews reject Christianity and Christians reject Islam. (on the very basic surface level, anyway) Now, as an observer, I do agree with you that Islam is an extension of Judaism and Christianity as Christianity is an extension of Judaism; while I haven't read the Baha'i scripture yet (can't find them in at Borders:sad4 from what I understand of their beliefs they are an extension of Islam. Granted, there are differences; I see those differences as human error.

And by the way, you are right in that Buddha didn't claim to be a prophet; all he said about himself was that he was "awake."

 

[kai]

I believe all structured religions are "false" the fact that the A god capable of creating the universe would insist on dietary Laws, or any other Laws for that matter i find inconceivable.

that this God requires people to bow down to him five times a day, i find absolutely unbelievable.

I find prophecy itself unbelievable.

any structured religion that has a dispensation for violence i reject

any structured religion that does not treat women as equals i reject

any one who claims they are right merely because they believe they are right , i reject

its my conclusion that belief in Angels and Djin are fairy tales from a bygone age, the same as fairies and leprechauns and gold at the end of the rainbow.


and anything that cannot adapt or be adapted is doomed and probably faulty

 

[kai]

I believe all structured religions are "false" the fact that the A god capable of creating the universe would insist on dietary Laws, or any other Laws for that matter i find inconceivable.

that this God requires people to bow down to him five times a day, i find absolutely unbelievable.

I find prophecy itself unbelievable.

any structured religion that has a dispensation for violence i reject

any structured religion that does not treat women as equals i reject

any one who claims they are right merely because they believe they are right , i reject

its my conclusion that belief in Angels and Djin are fairy tales from a bygone age, the same as fairies and leprechauns and gold at the end of the rainbow.


and anything that cannot adapt or be adapted is doomed and probably faulty

i have the ability to create this and you shall not eat pork, would be funny if it wasnt so sad

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Is Allah is as merciful and compassionate as you say he is? If so, why all the suffering? After all, "nothing in this universe can be done against Allah's will." (As I said in another thread, Islam is much more vulnerable to the "problem of evil" than Christianity.)

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/67959-why-does-god-make-us-suffer.html
Maybe you missed that thread but 35 replies later this issue was wrapped up.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Were you planning on responding to post 14 on page 2 or not?

YMir,
Were you planning on responding to post 17 on page 2 or not?

 

[tariqkhwaja]

I believe all structured religions are "false" the fact that the A god capable of creating the universe would insist on dietary Laws, or any other Laws for that matter i find inconceivable.
that this God requires people to bow down to him five times a day, i find absolutely unbelievable.
I find prophecy itself unbelievable.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/same-faith-debates/70331-agnostics-thiests-why-do-we-need.html. It is a new one. Please, go ahead and tell me what you think.

any structured religion that has a dispensation for violence i reject

In defence? I hope not.

any structured religion that does not treat women as equals i reject

I would rather go for justice than equality. There are differences that need to be considered. Otherwise, all sports events, for example, should be mixed for the sake of equality, don't you think?

any one who claims they are right merely because they believe they are right , i reject

Me too.

and anything that cannot adapt or be adapted is doomed and probably faulty

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...8540-absolute-truth-meaningful-concept-8.html. The last post is for you.

 

[kai]

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/same-faith-debates/70331-agnostics-thiests-why-do-we-need.html. It is a new one. Please, go ahead and tell me what you think.
I will take a look of course

In defence? I hope not.
if a Muslim considers his brother in palestine is being attacked he can attack the cause of his brothers pain anywhere in the world and consider it in defence ,am i correct?

I would rather go for justice than equality. There are differences that need to be considered. Otherwise, all sports events, for example, should be mixed for the sake of equality, don't you think? why must women pray seperately?


Me too.
Good for you, too many sheep not enough shepherds!


http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...8540-absolute-truth-meaningful-concept-8.html. The last post is for you.

cheers.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

if a Muslim considers his brother in palestine is being attacked he can attack the cause of his brothers pain anywhere in the world and consider it in defence ,am i correct?

No. Of course not. Here are the conditions in which I can attack:
1. ANY injustice committed against ANY human (not just Muslims)
2. The counter-attack must be on the attacker and not on the attacker's spouse, children, etc.

The Quran is very clear on these things. I should open a new thread on Palestine. As much as I support their cause I very much despise their means.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No. Of course not. Here are the conditions in which I can attack:
1. ANY injustice committed against ANY human (not just Muslims)
2. The counter-attack must be on the attacker and not on the attacker's spouse, children, etc.

The Quran is very clear on these things. I should open a new thread on Palestine. As much as I support their cause I very much despise their means.

(Much as I feel about Israel.)

 

[Right_Path]

Sikhsim, which I already mentioned.

Native American religions, which I already mentioned.

Buddhism, which I already mentioned.

The Baha'i faith, which you already discounted.

Zoroastrianism.

Some Pagan religions.

Also, if you want to consider individuals who purported to be prophets, what about Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce?

I am talking about people like Moses, Jesus and Mohamed, three men who dedicated their lives for the message of God, and have all succeeded...you cannot compare these men to this Nostradamus, who worked as an Apothercary, authir, translator and astrological consultant

 

[Right_Path]

that this God requires people to bow down to him five times a day, i find absolutely unbelievable.

considering the countless gifts God has given you, its nothing to bow down five times a day for him...one out of million gifts are your eyes...and plz dont tell me that is not God-given

any structured religion that has a dispensation for violence i reject

violence is the last thing Islam calls for...and dont mention Al-Qaeda because these freaks has nothing to do with our religion..(the qaeda case requires a thread)

any structured religion that does not treat women as equals i reject

you are saying this without going into the details of Islam teachings...you'd better ask Muslim women for that...women are never treated badly in Islam...and the concept of equality is in fact unfair to them..for example (in Islam) you cannot order a woman to join the army(EQUAL TO MAN)...for her own good.

any one who claims they are right merely because they believe they are right , i reject

Thats not true

 

[kai]

No. Of course not. Here are the conditions in which I can attack:
1. ANY injustice committed against ANY human (not just Muslims)
2. The counter-attack must be on the attacker and not on the attacker's spouse, children, etc.

The Quran is very clear on these things. I should open a new thread on Palestine. As much as I support their cause I very much despise their means.

Thats just about what i said then isnt it, except you can attack to defend non Muslims also ,and i only used Palestine as an example,