What morals and ethics do Christians and other religions follow over time?

[IndigoChild5559]

This thread was inspired by a thread started in Christianity DIR.

The evidence in history shows that Christianity followed the evolving morals and ethics, or code of conduct, of the cultures over time. This is true of other religions also. The standards of morals and ethics such as the Ten Commandments are found in most other cultures and religions of the world. The evolution of morals and ethics can be seen to evolve from the Neolithic cultures. Even in the Neanderthal cultures evidence of care for the elderly and disabled is known based on the evidence.

For example: Slavery evolved in the different cultures over time. In Neolithic cultures slavery is virtually absent. Captured prisoners and women and children were most commonly adopted into tribe or community. This is true of Neolithic Native American cultures. Slavery appeared in Bronze Age civilizations, up through resent history when it gradually is becoming immoral in the cultures today, and the principle transition to none slave cultures began in the 19th century. Christians widely bought, sold and owned slaves in recent history just as slavery existed in other cultures over time, and it was not considered immoral by many if not most Christian in the past.

What is hateful to you, don't do to others. You now know the whole Torah. Go and study.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You are in error. In a primitive mine, found in Israel, is the oldest reference to the Jewish God, scratched onto the wall. It is also the oldest known example of a form of written Hebrew, it is dated between 2 and 3 thousand years BC.

Do you have a link to back this up? That would be awesome!

 

[shmogie]

Do you have a link to back this up? That would be awesome!

I read about it a few years ago. I will see what I can find for you !

 

[shunyadragon]

What is hateful to you, don't do to others. You now know the whole Torah. Go and study.

The problem is what is hateful to you from your tribal perspective, which leads to intolerance on your part when you cannot dialogue with those who disagree with you. Nor do you objectively understand your Torah outside your religious agenda.

 

[shunyadragon]

Do you have a link to back this up? That would be awesome!

The reference does not exist. Though the cuneiform tablets of various ancient dates contain Flood myths, story of Gilgamesh and names of Sumerian and Babylonian Gods.

 

[shmogie]

Do you have a link to back this up? That would be awesome!

The inscription is called the wadi el-hol inscription, and was found in 1999. It is at least 4,000 years old.

 

[shmogie]

False and no reference to justify the claim.

True, the word is El, what does that mean?

 

[shmogie]

The reference does not exist. Though the cuneiform tablets of various ancient dates contain Flood myths, story of Gilgamesh and names of Sumerian and Babylonian Gods.

LOL, Once again, the worlds foremost authority, is wrong.

 

[shunyadragon]

The inscription is called the wadi el-hol inscription, and was found in 1999. It is at least 4,000 years old.

Yes, this inscription exists, but no symbol nor mention of God.

Collection of Ancient Inscriptions

Wadi El-Hol Inscription

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Description:
This inscription was discovered in 1999 by John and Deborah Darnell in Egypt. This inscription is about 4,000 years old and is the oldest example discovered to date of the ancient Semitic script. While an accurate translation of the full inscription is not possible, a possible translation is "many rise and toil from the [unknown word/s] from the city."

This inscription is not Hebrew. As far as what are the ancient Semitic languages. Hebrew is only one.of a number of ancient languages that evolved from these early Semitic languages of ~4000 BCE. They are Semitic Canaanite languages included Amorite, Edomite, Hebrew, Ammonite, Moabite, Phoenician (Punic/Carthaginian), Samaritan Hebrew, Ekronite and Sutean.

 

[shunyadragon]

LOL, Once again, the worlds foremost authority, is wrong.

It is most definitely not you nor any fallible human that ever lived on the face of the earth, nor the human interpretation of the many diverse conflicting scriptures of the history of humanity.

No fore most authority cited by you. At leas tI cited an accurate reference.

Again, no such inscription mentioning the Hebrew God exists in 4,000 BCE. Your reference to the Wadi El-Hol Inscription is bogus, because it is not only in Hebrew, it does not have a symbol of the Hebrew God.

 

[shmogie]

It is most definitely not you nor any fallible human that ever lived on the face of the earth, nor the human interpretation of the many diverse conflicting scriptures of the history of humanity.

Again, no such inscription mentioning the Hebrew God exists in 4,000 BCE. Your reference to the Wadi El-Hol Inscription is bogus, because it is not only in Hebrew, it does not have a symbol of the Hebrew God.

That is just one of the proto Hebrew inscriptions found, there are a number of them, in one, EL is clearly written.

Since these are new to you, you only learned of them today, obviously, I suggest you learn of the history of these, beginning with Sir Flinders Petrie.

Brigham Young University has an excellent time line of the discoveries, with photo's of the inscriptions, and translations.

Learn about these at their web site.

 

[Cooky]

This thread was inspired by a thread started in Christianity DIR.

The evidence in history shows that Christianity followed the evolving morals and ethics, or code of conduct, of the cultures over time. This is true of other religions also. The standards of morals and ethics such as the Ten Commandments are found in most other cultures and religions of the world. The evolution of morals and ethics can be seen to evolve from the Neolithic cultures. Even in the Neanderthal cultures evidence of care for the elderly and disabled is known based on the evidence.

For example: Slavery evolved in the different cultures over time. In Neolithic cultures slavery is virtually absent. Captured prisoners and women and children were most commonly adopted into tribe or community. This is true of Neolithic Native American cultures. Slavery appeared in Bronze Age civilizations, up through resent history when it gradually is becoming immoral in the cultures today, and the principle transition to none slave cultures began in the 19th century. Christians widely bought, sold and owned slaves in recent history just as slavery existed in other cultures over time, and it was not considered immoral by many if not most Christian in the past.

I follow whatever morals or ethics arise during my time, based on my surroundings and situations, and develop my own opinions based on my personal conscience which is rooted in the concept of agape.

...I may have already posted something similar. IDK, my allergies are flaring up today, so I can't remember.

 

[shunyadragon]

That is just one of the proto Hebrew inscriptions found, there are a number of them, in one, EL is clearly written.

The proto, not paleo inscriptions you refer to are much later, more like !000 BCE and later, and not the El-Wadt-Hol proto-Sinitic inscription from Egypt.

I read one interpretation that some of the symbols resemble the hieroglyphics of Egyptian worship, but the same reference indicated that any translation was problematic. No Hebrew El.

No academic reference provided. I provided the known translation, It is not proto Hebrew. Proto Hebrew dates to ~1000 BCE. The symbols are also precursors of the Egyptian writing as with all other examples of paleo-Sinitic alphabets, and they are found in Egypt and NOT Palestine.

Need academic references, and so far you have provided none!

Since these are new to you, you only learned of them today, obviously, I suggest you learn of the history of these, beginning with Sir Flinders Petrie.

These are not new to me.

Brigham Young University has an excellent time line of the discoveries, with photo's of the inscriptions, and translations.

Learn about these at their web site.

So what?!?!?! Remains a fact that you have not provided any academic references to support your claim, as I have from the Ancient Hebrew Research Center..

Sir Flinders Petrie.died in 1942. Still no references concerning the inscriptions cited discovered in 1999.

 

[shunyadragon]

I follow whatever morals or ethics arise during my time, based on my surroundings and situations, and develop my own opinions based on my personal conscience which is rooted in the concept of agape.

...I may have already posted something similar. IDK, my allergies are flaring up today, so I can't remember.

Sounds like a very humanist approach developing your own 'opinions' based on your personal conscience.'

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The inscription is called the wadi el-hol inscription, and was found in 1999. It is at least 4,000 years old.

I looked this up, and it seems to me that the evidence of the existence of Judaism 4000 years ago in these insciprtion is in the proto-Sinaitic one, "Some scholars (Darnell et al.) think that the רב rb at the beginning of Inscription 1 is likely rebbe (chief; cognate with rabbi); and that the אל ʾl at the end of Inscription 2 is likely ʾel "god"."
Proto-Sinaitic script - Wikipedia

@shunyadragon

 

[shunyadragon]

True, the word is El, what does that mean?

Still waiting for your specific references that support your claim.

 

[shunyadragon]

I looked this up, and it seems to me that the evidence of the existence of Judaism 4000 years ago in these insciprtion is in the proto-Sinaitic one, "Some scholars (Darnell et al.) think that the רב rb at the beginning of Inscription 1 is likely rebbe (chief; cognate with rabbi); and that the אל ʾl at the end of Inscription 2 is likely ʾel "god"."
Proto-Sinaitic script - Wikipedia

@shunyadragon

'Some scholars' is kind of vague.

Actually it is not evidence of Hebrew, but proto-Sinaitic roots found in Egypt for all the written languages of the Middle East, in particular of Egyptian hieroglyphics where these are found.

The problem with this interpretation is that, yes this maybe as described in the reference of an ancient proto-Sinaitic symbol for 'chief god.' these symbols represent the roots of all written sinaitic languages like Egyptian and Canaanite which developed written words for their Gods, and it cannot be reasonably concluded that it refers to the Hebrew God 'El.' The direct reference in the references you cite is that these inscriptions found in Egypt are likely the primitive forms of hieroglyphics as described in the table in the reference as well as root symbols of other languages The Hebrew written language evolved much later evolved earlier written scripts,

Note from an earlier reference that later languages that evolved from these early proto- Sinaitic symbols; They are Semitic Canaanite languages included Amorite, Edomite, Hebrew, Ammonite, Moabite, Phoenician (Punic/Carthaginian), Samaritan Hebrew, Ekronite and Sutean.

 

[shmogie]

Still waiting for your specific references that support your claim.

Gave them to you, gave you where you could go to learn something on the issue. You have chosen not to.

 

[shunyadragon]

Gave them to you, gave you where you could go to learn something on the issue. You have chosen not to.

You made vague incomplete references without substance. @IndigoChild5559 did respond with a specific reference, and I responded to his reference with details from his own reference.

Still waiting . . .

 

[shmogie]

You made vague incomplete references without substance. @IndigoChild5559 did respond with a specific reference, and I responded to his reference with details from his own reference.

Still waiting . . .

Gave it to you, as I said, the entire timeline and details of these inscriptions can be found on the BYU website.

You aren't able to find it?

I find no rule that says a citation is no longer acceptable, and a lazy link must be provided.

I suspect that you just choose to be obstreperous in your own passive/aggressive way.

I guess if it makes you feel better.....................................................

Your first response was to pontificate about tablets and myths showing you had no knowledge of these inscriptions.

Try and learn something, your ego will survive.