What Must You Know to be Enlightened?

[Darkwater]

DW...the mental/emotional bodies and the astral body may be simply subtler vehicles for the spirit spark.

I agree with this completely.....I can explain from a couple of perspectives how I have identified & progressed mine own spark,how are you getting on with your's?

You would appear to have identified it from a few perspectives,perhaps?

Subtler Vehicles,I will use this.....very nicely put Sir!

*don's cap in elaborate full bow(keeping an eye on you the full while)*

:areyoucra

*always seeking to better define myself*

 

[Alceste]

Hi Alceste, due to your understanding of 'enlightenment ' being at variance with my present understanding, there is plenty of scope for misunderstanding, so it is probably of little merit in continuing the discussion.

No harm in hearing other points of view. The larger your sample size, the greater the odds of coming to a relatively objective understanding of enlightenment.

FYI though, here is an unenlightened mind's perspective.

A mortal, a person that is, will never in all eternity become enlightened due to cosmic design constraints, i.e. eternal spirit incarnate in temporary body.
However it my understanding that it is possible through a proper and appropriately lived life, in combination with some mysterious cosmic transformation, 'grace' or some such, for the presently incarnate spiritual soul to realize it's inseparableness from the whole and leave this flesh body (not by way of the back door through compulsion brought on by physical death, but voluntarily by the front door through a love born of truth for union with one's own real permanent nature) to be 'born of the spirit', i.e. enlightenment.

I am giving you an enlightened person's perspective - mine. If the above is not coming your own experience of enlightenment, where is it coming from?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am giving you an enlightened person's perspective - mine. If the above is not coming your own experience of enlightenment, where is it coming from?

It is the expression of the present understanding of a disciple whose ultimate destiny of realizing enlightenment is not yet fully realized.

 

[blueman]

If by "God" you mean "the realization of one's ignorance" or "the experience of not knowing," then I agree.

"For a man - even one very well versed in learning - will attain unto nothing more perfect than to be found to be most learned in the ignorance which is distinctively his. The more he knows that he is unknowing, the more learned he will be." - Nicholas of Cusa, De Docta Ignorantia

No, I mean a real, loving relationship with a Living God. The facilitation of that relationship is through His Son Jesus Christ. No metaphorical intepretation, but a literal daily relationship.

 

[doppelganger]

No, I mean a real, loving relationship with a Living God. The facilitation of that relationship is through His Son Jesus Christ. No metaphorical intepretation, but a literal daily relationship.

Those mirror neurons can be very clever little buggers.

 

[Darkwater]

Those mirror neurons can be very clever little buggers.

Oooh,an ineffible relationship with the ineffible?Unless you take into account the vast ultimate zero(mirror neurons,not the truly ineffible)

 

[doppelganger]

Oooh,an ineffible relationship with the ineffible?Unless you take into account the vast ultimate zero(mirror neurons,not the truly ineffible)

Mirror neurons aren't the truly ineffable?

 

[Darkwater]

interdisciplines : What Do Mirror Neurons Mean? : Mirror neurons and action observation. Is simulation involved?

To cut a long story short,people around you.......say your kid's,in particular.pick up on your thought pattern's,somehow tune into your brainwaves & adopt the same pattern as their own...pick up on the vibe.

Normal Neurons can be controlled by chanelling quantum energy which makes them behave at the top of their game,as they should or feel they should.......it is these electrical pulses/waves/energy which attach the emotional body to the physical.

If their is a blockage in your chakra or your bodies energy is not flowing properly,they do not perform as well as they should........much of the information,meta information,from within has to do with mirror neurons........especially when you can induce core human thought process within yourself(which has some drawbacks too)

Neurons are very simply controlled(when blockages are broken down & passed naturally from your system) & mirror neurons or adopting a pattern the most natural thing in the world?

Same as a collection/reflection of old light.........creation of a group thought thing,a jeez,the name escapes me.......meh tip of my tongue////gah..gtg,too tired.

 

[Japaholic]

If you know the answer to every question I quess your partway there.

I've always found that the further up the pyramid you climb the less people there are around you that can speak/interact on the same intellectual level.

Hence I come here to an internet forum to search out like minded people. The people I meet on a daily basis begger belief.

One man, when met with the question "Johnny, how do you become enlightened?" answered "turn the f-ing light on".

And finally, if I was fully enlightened, or any of you for that matter, would we come here to pontificate on the fact? I think not.

 

[Darkwater]

Having all the answers is no use at all unless they lead to better idea's & better questions.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Darkwater,

Having all the answers is no use at all unless they lead to better idea's & better questions.

Only when no more more question remain that the mind is still and *enlightenment* is all about that *still* mind.

Love & rgds

 

[Darkwater]

Quantum energy,the world,the universe all makes sense when you take into account the prescence of the Void,vast nothingness,the huge untapped reservior of the great unmanifest....time,love,energy.....The mind is *still* when sleeping or shabat,which gives it time to process vast amounts of information.....every answer leads to another question....I am first to admit I am heedless blurter until I have time to return to the dark waters to *think*.You learn nothing from talking yet learn loads from listening so interaction is required,preferrably good natured & relaxed atmosphere....some people are unaware of the long introspective stare.

Saat Shri Akaal

Muan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[zenzero]

Friend darkwater,
Frubal pending!
Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend darkwater,
Frubal pending!
Love & rgds