This doesn't add anything useful to the thread. The OP is about crediting science. Simply saying there is no conflict with science is unrelated to the discussion.
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What other religions give science credit?
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This doesn't add anything useful to the thread. The OP is about crediting science. Simply saying there is no conflict with science is unrelated to the discussion.
And you're still wrong. The ancient Egyptians used alcohol for medicinal purposes over 5,000 years ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7992575.stm
The fact remains that Muslims did not create algebra.
Then what the hell are you asking, exactly? What do you mean by "credit"? And how is what I said different from what Rival said about Zoroastrianism?
Demonslayer
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Jesus created calculus to measure the crazy amount of fish he could create. True story.
You have your sources, I have mine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Zakariya_al-Razi
"He also discovered numerous compounds and chemicals including Alcohol, kerosene, among others."
Sorry if I said that. Please quote me.
The title and the OP are clear to answer you. Crediting science and claiming there is no conflict with it are two different things. As for Rival, she's having her own discussion with someone else, and I'm having mine with you, easy. I'm not obliged to answer to specific members.Then what the hell are you asking, exactly? What do you mean by "credit"? And how is what I said different from what Rival said about Zoroastrianism?
There's no citation to that and a Google search of it brings up different claims about it, so I don't know. The ancient Greek doctor, Hippocrates, used wine to dress wounds.
You said: "As for backing it up, can you give any non Muslim name before Jabir Ibn Hayyan for algebra and Al-Razi for alcohol who date before them? I don't think you can. And algebra and alcohol are basic inventions that certainly had their information borrowed by non Muslims that they can exist today."
It can read as you saying that those individuals came up with those things.
Um, okay. Whatever then. Someone sounds a bit grumpy today.
@Taylor Seraphim What, in your opinion, would a religion need to say or do to get into bed with science? Because by your definition, I'm not sure any religion qualifies.
Reform Zoroastrianism uses only the 17 Gathas and if you find anything anti scientific in them, please let me know.
Reform Zoroastrianism uses only the 17 Gathas and if you find anything anti scientific in them, please let me know.
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Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
"Hey, science, looking mighty cute in them jeans."
Yes, there are names for people in the Muslim heritage for that. I consider this one step ahead in taking credit. However, I could be wrong. My context was that algebra as we know it and the world has benefited from is what those Muslims pioneered, including Al-Khawarizmy whom the word algorithm is made after. I could be wrong in this too of course. History is just ink on paper.
I don't see Rival is grumpy here. She's acting normally with the members conversing with her. But if it makes you feel any better, what she originally said is similar to what you said, yes.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Oxymoron statements seems to be your strong suit... Really.
Hating homosexuals is Loving God.
Being the member of a church responsible for uncountable wars ans genocides is lovingGod.
Bhagavad Gita doesn't let people get deceived easily.
You know very little of what you are talking about. Jesus commanded we love our neighbors as ourselves; homosexuals are not excluded from the commandment, nor is anyone else. Further, we are taught to pray for those who persecute us and love them, too.
The wars you mention were fought by sinful men and were not at all commanded by God.
Got any other slights you wish to throw at Christians besides the weak ones you attempted?
From Buddhism: Acintita Sutta:
"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.
"These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."
The words for "madness and vexation" mean literally "out of ones mind."
Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world would refer to pseudo-science and unsupported creation mythos.
"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.
"These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."
The words for "madness and vexation" mean literally "out of ones mind."
Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world would refer to pseudo-science and unsupported creation mythos.
Scott C.
Just one guy
Examples from my faith of the importance of study, from both secular and religious sources:
Doctrine and Covenants 93:36
The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
Doctrine and Covenants 109:7
And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom, seek learning even by study and also by faith;
Doctrine and Covenants 90:15
And set in order the churches, and study and learn, and become acquainted with all good books, and with languages, tongues, and people.
Doctrine and Covenants 88:78-79
Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand;
Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad; the wars and the perplexities of the nations, and the judgments which are on the land; and a knowledge also of countries and of kingdoms—
Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 28:15
O the wise, and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the pride of their hearts, and all those who preach false doctrines, and all those who commit whoredoms, and pervert the right way of the Lord, wo, wo, wo be unto them, saith the Lord God Almighty, for they shall be thrust down to hell!
Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 9:29
But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God.
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Apparently, killing people, raping women and taking their lands is weak allegations.
How many people need to die for it to be a big allegation?
And according to you, the Catholic church is sinful and yet you are a member of a sinful church who bashes sinners.
Bravo, again!!
First Baseman
Retired athlete
"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
That's not bad. Got anymore?
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/medieval-england/the-crusades/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period
Also, killing of gay men, scientists, Jews... With millions of papers online proven and admired by the church.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.htm
Need anymore?
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Sure. Fire away. You just prove the Bible true. All men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Except for you, of course.
Preach on, oh holy one!
But do you have any modern ones? Mediaeval people didn't exactly need religion to act like complete barbarians, really, but they used it anyway.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
He's having fun with the sins of others. Leave him alone, he'll learn he isn't lily white eventually. These things take time.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I'm too Eurocentric then, lol. I never even knew that happened, although I wouldn't say Uganda and Kenya are the most developed countries so I'd semi expect it there. But OK, I'll give you that one.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Whatever the case, it's surprising that the guy who calls these actions evil, has a membership with the organization.
It's the guy with whom I was originally discussing it with.