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What Racial or Ethnic Group are you?

Laika

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I was wondering what RF's Racial or Ethnic make-up was and whether it affected discussions on various topics. How far does our Racial or Ethnic background determine our beliefs and experiences? And do you believe that certain racial or ethnic groups can necessarily be classified by collective experiences of domination or oppression in shaping the outlook of its individual members? Do you define your nationality or cultural identity by your racial group?

As this thread will inevitably involve defining what these categories are, to speed up the process here are some definitions from Wikipedia to get you all warmed up;

An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Ethnicity is usually an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance.

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.


I admittedly don't think about it that much, but I'm White-British/White-European. I think that I am "privileged" in a sense to have had the experience of living in a mainly white area and a society where white people control the levers of economic, political and cultural power. I realise that part of my identity is at least "inherited" from collective sources and draws on that historical blueprint of "White European civilisation" versus "everyone else". It's complicated by the fact I tend to resent ideas about "White Guilt" because I don't think Guilt can be a positive motivation for getting people to recognise and take responsibility for problems arising from race. I also tend to think attributing blame or responsibility to people based on the colour of their skin is counter-productive because we don't necessarily have the power to change everything and our character and responses to the situations that arise should matter in evaluating what role we play in a society based on racial inequalities. That being said, I do find it difficult talking about race and racism as a white guy, because of the danger of "lecturing" people who have experiences I don't share and may therefore reach legitimately different conclusions outside of the bubble of my own "white privilege".

How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
I was wondering what RF's Racial or Ethnic make-up was and whether it affected discussions on various topics. How far does our Racial or Ethnic background determine our beliefs and experiences? And do you believe that certain racial or ethnic groups can necessarily be classified by collective experiences of domination or oppression in shaping the outlook of its individual members? Do you define your nationality or cultural identity by your racial group?

As this thread will inevitably involve defining what these categories are, to speed up the process here are some definitions from Wikipedia to get you all warmed up;

An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Ethnicity is usually an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance.

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.


I admittedly don't think about it that much, but I'm White-British/White-European. I think that I am "privileged" in a sense to have had the experience of living in a mainly white area and a society where white people control the levers of economic, political and cultural power. I realise that part of my identity is at least "inherited" from collective sources and draws on that historical blueprint of "White European civilisation" versus "everyone else". It's complicated by the fact I tend to resent ideas about "White Guilt" because I don't think Guilt can be a positive motivation for getting people to recognise and take responsibility for problems arising from race. I also tend to think attributing blame or responsibility to people based on the colour of their skin is counter-productive because we don't necessarily have the power to change everything and our character and responses to the situations that arise should matter in evaluating what role we play in a society based on racial inequalities. That being said, I do find it difficult talking about race and racism as a white guy, because of the danger of "lecturing" people who have experiences I don't share and may therefore reach legitimately different conclusions outside of the bubble of my own "white privilege".

How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?
I think identity politics is one of the curses of our age. I think we should stop obsessing about what groups we belong to and who should, or should not, feel guilty for whatever.
It encourages a grievance mentality and sets everyone against everyone else.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I was wondering what RF's Racial or Ethnic make-up was and whether it affected discussions on various topics. How far does our Racial or Ethnic background determine our beliefs and experiences? And do you believe that certain racial or ethnic groups can necessarily be classified by collective experiences of domination or oppression in shaping the outlook of its individual members? Do you define your nationality or cultural identity by your racial group?

As this thread will inevitably involve defining what these categories are, to speed up the process here are some definitions from Wikipedia to get you all warmed up;

An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Ethnicity is usually an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance.

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.


I admittedly don't think about it that much, but I'm White-British/White-European. I think that I am "privileged" in a sense to have had the experience of living in a mainly white area and a society where white people control the levers of economic, political and cultural power. I realise that part of my identity is at least "inherited" from collective sources and draws on that historical blueprint of "White European civilisation" versus "everyone else". It's complicated by the fact I tend to resent ideas about "White Guilt" because I don't think Guilt can be a positive motivation for getting people to recognise and take responsibility for problems arising from race. I also tend to think attributing blame or responsibility to people based on the colour of their skin is counter-productive because we don't necessarily have the power to change everything and our character and responses to the situations that arise should matter in evaluating what role we play in a society based on racial inequalities. That being said, I do find it difficult talking about race and racism as a white guy, because of the danger of "lecturing" people who have experiences I don't share and may therefore reach legitimately different conclusions outside of the bubble of my own "white privilege".

How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?

I wasn't raised go consider myself by race and ethnicity. I live in a highly racial country, so where I'm at when we introduce each other a lot of times, especially I notice from many African Americans (location depending) ask what race a person is. We get a sense of their history and connection to a specific group, I guess, when we know where they are from and color of skin. I don't see other cultures do it. Further south you go and probably west is like that. I dont think NY is but DC Washington is in the less "white" areas.

As for affecting religion, it's a stereotype but historically grounded, many African Americans who haven't grown up in a white community are non denominational or Baptist. I didn't know there was a white southern Baptist until I moved here. That's the heavy influence on religion and race. Boxes you in to judge others.

I wasn't raised around blunt racism so I don't know too much the history of Baptist and slavery. I do know whites went to their own church and blacks to another.

Cant think of anything else. We have cherokee in our family from southeast part of the States. My father's mother is Blackfoot and African American as so was told. But only by blood not by culture.

I don't consider myself black and African American was given as a step up to racial equality. From the N* word, colored, black, African American, mixed...dont know what else is next. Probably change in the next ten years.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
I was wondering what RF's Racial or Ethnic make-up was and whether it affected discussions on various topics. How far does our Racial or Ethnic background determine our beliefs and experiences? And do you believe that certain racial or ethnic groups can necessarily be classified by collective experiences of domination or oppression in shaping the outlook of its individual members? Do you define your nationality or cultural identity by your racial group?

As this thread will inevitably involve defining what these categories are, to speed up the process here are some definitions from Wikipedia to get you all warmed up;

An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Ethnicity is usually an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance.

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.


I admittedly don't think about it that much, but I'm White-British/White-European. I think that I am "privileged" in a sense to have had the experience of living in a mainly white area and a society where white people control the levers of economic, political and cultural power. I realise that part of my identity is at least "inherited" from collective sources and draws on that historical blueprint of "White European civilisation" versus "everyone else". It's complicated by the fact I tend to resent ideas about "White Guilt" because I don't think Guilt can be a positive motivation for getting people to recognise and take responsibility for problems arising from race. I also tend to think attributing blame or responsibility to people based on the colour of their skin is counter-productive because we don't necessarily have the power to change everything and our character and responses to the situations that arise should matter in evaluating what role we play in a society based on racial inequalities. That being said, I do find it difficult talking about race and racism as a white guy, because of the danger of "lecturing" people who have experiences I don't share and may therefore reach legitimately different conclusions outside of the bubble of my own "white privilege".

How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?

White European-American with a fairly diverse mix of European ancestry. On my mothers side I am 1/4 Finnish and 1/4 Yugoslavian. On my father's side multiple generations in America.

I think that it is also important to acknowledge ones familial history of abuse. In my case I am two generations removed from two parent alcoholism.

My father and his father served in the military. My grandfather served in the Navy for 20 years including WWII.

Another factor of interest is economic class. My parents were lower middle class and I am probably more middle middle class.

My public school education left me with the impression that people of all nationalities were basically equal. I've never felt the need to learn another language. I have step children who are hispanic. I've never left the country (US) except to visit Ireland once for about two weeks and once to visit Mexico for about a week.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I was wondering what RF's Racial or Ethnic make-up was and whether it affected discussions on various topics. How far does our Racial or Ethnic background determine our beliefs and experiences? And do you believe that certain racial or ethnic groups can necessarily be classified by collective experiences of domination or oppression in shaping the outlook of its individual members? Do you define your nationality or cultural identity by your racial group?

As this thread will inevitably involve defining what these categories are, to speed up the process here are some definitions from Wikipedia to get you all warmed up;

An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Ethnicity is usually an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance.

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.


I admittedly don't think about it that much, but I'm White-British/White-European. I think that I am "privileged" in a sense to have had the experience of living in a mainly white area and a society where white people control the levers of economic, political and cultural power. I realise that part of my identity is at least "inherited" from collective sources and draws on that historical blueprint of "White European civilisation" versus "everyone else". It's complicated by the fact I tend to resent ideas about "White Guilt" because I don't think Guilt can be a positive motivation for getting people to recognise and take responsibility for problems arising from race. I also tend to think attributing blame or responsibility to people based on the colour of their skin is counter-productive because we don't necessarily have the power to change everything and our character and responses to the situations that arise should matter in evaluating what role we play in a society based on racial inequalities. That being said, I do find it difficult talking about race and racism as a white guy, because of the danger of "lecturing" people who have experiences I don't share and may therefore reach legitimately different conclusions outside of the bubble of my own "white privilege".

How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?
I am me.
Racism is something that seems to crop up in all racial groups, clubs whatever.
White guilt and privilege.... Ehh. All of my ma's side of the family and her friends are immigrants with English as their second language who have all found pretty high success in a "predominantly white country."
From where I stand, you are what you make of yourself. I see white privilege as a relavent concept to study in social sciences. But I also see it as a cop out for some people. An easy scapegoat. Not to say that success always finds those who are deserving of it, however. And sure racism might be a cause for that in many scenarios.

But I do not see any real benefits to having white people feel guilty for the slights their ancestors did to other people's ancestors. Acknowledge it to be sure. But we need to press on and quit living in the past.
Human history screwed everyone over at some point.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
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Mondasian.

Our hands and eyes can still be seen.
 
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SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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Ethnicity: American
Race: Human

I see no use in being more specific than that.

My ex is big on genealogy. In fact I still have an Ancestrydotcom box I received as a gift from "my daughter" sitting unopened in my closet. I never really understood the need for people to know what their genealogy is. I mean, if I found out that I have a Scandanavian ancestry, should I start writing in runor?
 

Saint Frankenstein

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Ethnicity: American
Race: Human

I see no use in being more specific than that.

My ex is big on genealogy. In fact I still have an Ancestrydotcom box I received as a gift from "my daughter" sitting unopened in my closet. I never really understood the need for people to know what their genealogy is. I mean, if I found out that I have a Scandanavian ancestry, should I start writing in runor?
"American" is a nationality, not an ethnicity. It's not like, for example, being Irish where it's both an ethnicity and a nationality and you be both or just one.
 

Skwim

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Solid, 100%, white, virile, manly, Swede.
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Wanna make something of it?

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SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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"American" is a nationality, not an ethnicity. It's not like, for example, being Irish where it's both an ethnicity and a nationality and you be both or just one.

I was using the definition presented in the OP.

But since you took that horse out of the barn, let's ride it...

I'm a third generation native born citizen. My daughter is a fourth. How many generations does it take before one's nationality becomes one's ethnicity?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?

I don't consider myself a race or ethnic. I tried, cause people seem to think it's important. Just couldn't stick with it. Scottish, Viking, Native America, (actually Cherokee, I have high cheekbones to prove it) African. None of it seems very relevant to me.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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I was using the definition presented in the OP.

But since you took that horse out of the barn, let's ride it...

I'm a third generation native born citizen. My daughter is a fourth. How many generations does it take before one's nationality becomes one's ethnicity?
In America, never, because it's not an ethnicity.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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Statements that use terms like "always" and "never" are rarely accurate.

So then tell me, based on your "truth" above, what is the ethnicity of Native Americans?
Whatever their people called themselves before Europeans came over. Their tribal names and ethnic groups don't change just because white men decided to create a country on what was formally their land. Americans aren't Americans by blood. We're Americans by citizenship.
 

SalixIncendium

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Whatever their people called themselves before Europeans came over. Their tribal names and ethnic groups don't change just because white men decided to create a country on what was formally their land. Americans aren't Americans by blood. We're Americans by citizenship.

By your logic, the ethnicities listed above are mostly just nationalities, and everyone should just answer African for their ethnicity.

Map of Human Migration
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
As typically thought of: ethnic Jewish with Eastern European (the "Pale") background. Race white (not that it means anything to me but that's what I put down when I'm asked).
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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White American male of Italian and Sicilian descent. Yes, Italian and Sicilian are different. Customs, foods, the languages are different. Sicilian is not a dialect of Italian, it’s a sister language descended from Latin. And I’m not sure who’s more pleased about the differences, Italians or Sicilians. :D
 
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