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What Racial or Ethnic Group are you?

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
She probably says "Filipina". :D

Or Pilipina [wait, you mentioned that too]. One of my Filipino coworkers says Prank for the name Frank, prum for from. I never heard him curse though... I wonder if the f-word comes out as the word for that little hard round thing they use in hockey. :D
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
I hate it when official forms ask you your ethnicity. I often pick Irish (well, I'm 50%) and I once knew a (white) New Zealander who always ticked the "other" box and wrote in "South-Sea Islander".
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I was wondering what RF's Racial or Ethnic make-up was and whether it affected discussions on various topics. How far does our Racial or Ethnic background determine our beliefs and experiences? And do you believe that certain racial or ethnic groups can necessarily be classified by collective experiences of domination or oppression in shaping the outlook of its individual members? Do you define your nationality or cultural identity by your racial group?

As this thread will inevitably involve defining what these categories are, to speed up the process here are some definitions from Wikipedia to get you all warmed up;

An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Ethnicity is usually an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance.

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.


I admittedly don't think about it that much, but I'm White-British/White-European. I think that I am "privileged" in a sense to have had the experience of living in a mainly white area and a society where white people control the levers of economic, political and cultural power. I realise that part of my identity is at least "inherited" from collective sources and draws on that historical blueprint of "White European civilisation" versus "everyone else". It's complicated by the fact I tend to resent ideas about "White Guilt" because I don't think Guilt can be a positive motivation for getting people to recognise and take responsibility for problems arising from race. I also tend to think attributing blame or responsibility to people based on the colour of their skin is counter-productive because we don't necessarily have the power to change everything and our character and responses to the situations that arise should matter in evaluating what role we play in a society based on racial inequalities. That being said, I do find it difficult talking about race and racism as a white guy, because of the danger of "lecturing" people who have experiences I don't share and may therefore reach legitimately different conclusions outside of the bubble of my own "white privilege".

How about you? Any thoughts or insights on the issue?

My ancestry is 50% Dutch from my father's side. That side of my family arrived in America in the early 19th century and remained mostly insulated in their own (Dutch-speaking) communities until my father's generation, when they started to become more "Americanized." They still continued to embrace their Dutch heritage, though. Both of my grandparents were born in America (as were their grandparents), but they grew up learning Dutch before they learned English.

On my mother's side, my grandmother was a typical white Anglo-Saxon Protestant (among the first English families to settle in what is now the state of Maryland in the 17th century), although she converted to Catholicism when she married my grandfather, a Catholic Cajun from Louisiana, whose family settled in that region sometime in the 18th century after the French and Indian War. (Prior to that, they were up in Canada, although records are a bit spotty.) My grandfather grew up learning French first before learning English, although he ran away from home early in life and tried hard to assimilate to the majority English-speaking culture which was all around him in other areas of the country.

My maternal grandmother was born in Missouri (which she pronounced as "Missoura"), although my grandparents met and married in California, where they both wound up at some point in the 1930s, which is where they remained for the rest of their lives. My grandmother was also a member of the DAR, and there were also people in that branch of my family who served in the Civil War - some Rebels and some Yankees.

As for the concepts or race, ethnicity, and privilege, America and the identity of "American" has always had kind of a strange history. In the Founders' time, "American" was more a geographical designation, since it referred to people who were mostly products of the British Isles, spoke the English language, and whose ethnic groups and cultures mostly mirrored that of Britain at the time, whether English, Scottish, Irish, or Welsh. Although there were also a fair number of Germans, Dutch, French, Swedish, and many other nationalities present, along with the Native American nationalities and the West Africans who were forcibly brought over as slaves (and whose cultures and languages were literally beaten out of them).

In later years, there also seemed to be a view regarding generational tenure, as in those whose ancestors arrived sooner and whose families were in America for generations - they saw themselves as more privileged and more entitled than the "new arrivals" who came after the Revolution or after the Civil War. I recall when people would look down on anyone whose surname ended in a vowel. It was similar with anyone who seemed to be "foreign" or "unassimilated" in any way. Henry Ford was a big proponent of assimilation, and set up schools for his immigrant workers in order to make them dress and act like Americans. A lot of immigrants in the late 19th/early 20th centuries felt compelled to change their surnames to make them more American sounding. (My Cajun grandfather changed his first name from "Pierre" to "William.")
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Born in England with Scottish clan ancestry dating back to Vikings.

Genetically, im part traceable to France, west of Paris and the black sea coast of Turkey.

Before that by a couple of hundred thousand years, somewhere in Africa.

But mostly im just human
 

Baladas

An Págánach
Family history is a bit of a passion of mine.
From what I know so far, I'm predominantly Welsh and English, with a solid dose of Irish, Scot, and Germanic. I traced my mother's side all the way back to medieval Wales.
I also know that one of my 3x great grandfathers was Blackfoot, but I am quite pale.
 

Baladas

An Págánach
Before that by a couple of hundred thousand years, somewhere in Africa.

But mostly im just human

This is an important thing to acknowledge, I think.
Certain people attempt to use ancestry as a way to fuel their own bigoted notions, ignoring the ways in which we are related.
No lineage is better than another. We are all related family and we all came from Africa.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
This is an important thing to acknowledge, I think.
Certain people attempt to use ancestry as a way to fuel their own bigoted notions, ignoring the ways in which we are related.
No lineage is better than another. We are all related family and we all came from Africa.
I've watched a few of those DNA-test vids. Not sure how accurate they are, but it's amazing how some people are seemingly disappointed about having some part in their ancestry. I'd be thrilled no matter what ancestry there was.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I wasn't raised go consider myself by race and ethnicity. I live in a highly racial country, so where I'm at when we introduce each other a lot of times, especially I notice from many African Americans (location depending) ask what race a person is. We get a sense of their history and connection to a specific group, I guess, when we know where they are from and color of skin. I don't see other cultures do it. Further south you go and probably west is like that. I dont think NY is but DC Washington is in the less "white" areas.

As for affecting religion, it's a stereotype but historically grounded, many African Americans who haven't grown up in a white community are non denominational or Baptist. I didn't know there was a white southern Baptist until I moved here. That's the heavy influence on religion and race. Boxes you in to judge others.

I wasn't raised around blunt racism so I don't know too much the history of Baptist and slavery. I do know whites went to their own church and blacks to another.

Cant think of anything else. We have cherokee in our family from southeast part of the States. My father's mother is Blackfoot and African American as so was told. But only by blood not by culture.

I don't consider myself black and African American was given as a step up to racial equality. From the N* word, colored, black, African American, mixed...dont know what else is next. Probably change in the next ten years.

If your hair kinks and are of a darker “light” beige complexion you’re a black person to many. Sorry. I also find the racially ambiguous blacks that grow up in white communities to be absent of their ethnic heritage or choose not to learn.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I’m African-American because my genetic origins are from Africa, and American because I was born and continue to exist in North America. But I am black first because society has always made me aware that I am black before I am an American.

But I’m quite bothered by the “I’m human” comment. Research has shown people are aware and act based on another’s ethnicity. I wish people cut the BS of “I’m human.”
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If your hair kinks and are of a darker “light” beige complexion you’re a black person to many. Sorry. I also find the racially ambiguous blacks that grow up in white communities to be absent of their ethnic heritage or choose not to learn.

Yeah. There are so many stereotypes that those of us who wish to learn it end up with Ebonics and quote on quote black gestures. Brushing up on academics is fine but I wouldnt know more unless I really kept in touch with my older generation who has gone through it all.

I dont consider myself white-minded, but you can tell the difference between those raised in a Black Community and those who are more suburbian. You can also tell the difference when one is a activie militant. Sometimes communites think in X way cause we cant be anywhere else to experience whats outside of our comfort zone.

But, yeah, going by the definition on your post, Im all Black, nappy head and all. Relaxers help.... I just cut it short and get away with it that way.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Yeah. There are so many stereotypes that those of us who wish to learn it end up with Ebonics and quote on quote black gestures.

Learn what exactly? Your history? Aside from Native Americans, in the United States as well as elsewhere in the diaspora, blacks have been robbed of their history, language and their culture. Ebonics is not history it’s a bs language that someone conjured up, but no different than you and I talking English slang or colloquialism.


I dont consider myself white-minded, but you can tell the difference between those raised in a Black Community and those who are more suburbian. You can also tell the difference when one is a activie militant. Sometimes communites think in X way cause we cant be anywhere else to experience whats outside of our comfort zone

Right and I’m no stranger to that. I think that is why there is the misappropriation of “talking white” such as tone, pitch, and how one speaks gets attributed to being among a Caucasian community. But you are a unique person and of course are a product of your community but you don’t have to be of it, we’ll, at least that is what I tell knuckle heads.

But, yeah, going by the definition on your post, Im all Black, nappy head and all. Relaxers help.... I just cut it short and get away with it that way.

I say what my mother told me because unfortunately there is a section in the South who will not accept you for being Native American or because you have white genes in you, but because you look different than they do. It’s not just the south but other parts of the United States. But I’m sure you are beautiful and majestic as the individual you are but unfortunately the ugliness of this country has taught me that.

It is also important to know your roots. To know how many Africans that suffered during the middle passage held in the gallows of a ship. Toppled on each other. To know the ugliness a people whose genes you have with you had to endure.
 
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