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What the...Egypt female circumcision

beenie

beenie

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God forbid women actually having a CASE about something without having to involve those poor, poor men. :(

Good grief, how many people have to say that male circumcision isn't an act of kindness for you to believe we're not ignoring male circumcision?

Is it impossible to have a thread that discusses women only without having to distract it with a male pity party?
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
ssainhu said:
Is it impossible to have a thread that discusses women only without having to distract it with a male pity party?
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Indeed, the manufactured anxiety of men isn't quite on the same order as the trauma experienced by females who have been held down by relatives... for her own good...
 
gnomon

gnomon

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MysticSang'ha said:
I answered this already in my previous post.

I don't think neck rings, lip plates, and scarification are remotely in the same boat as FGM, and all involve the procedures or modifications on women.

I think footbinding comes closer, however, and the impact on the lives of women with mutilated feet is horrific.

It seems to me that there's an attempt to trivialize FGM here.
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As well, when the pressure on women in those parts of China to practice foot binding went away the practice pretty much ceased among women. Yet, mothers taught it to their daughters. What does that mean?

It means that just because to an outsider it appears to be an established and welcomed practice doesn't do away with the fact that a practice is essentially forced upon a generation, usually women, and that when given the opportunity the practice will stop. Somewhat removing the mystique of the cultural value.

It means that just because something has been indoctrinated into a culture it doesn't give the rest of us a "feel good" out by standing back and declaring cultural relativism. Which is something I find quite common among issues involving women.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

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Foot binding was such a horrific practice. I mean, truly and utterly horrifying. I can't believe it ever gained traction. Why do people make up such awful rules?
 
gnomon

gnomon

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Falvlun said:
Foot binding was such a horrific practice. I mean, truly and utterly horrifying. I can't believe it ever gained traction. Why do people make up such awful rules?
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We've started something similar here in the West. Women who become obsessed with an ideal of beauty to the extent that anorexia and bulimia become a serious problem for a lot of young women. A beauty ideal not enforced by a tradition but one that is ingrained in the mentality of so many people by marketing the idea through television shows, magazine covers......continually holding up the thinnest women as the ideal. One story of foot binding I read puts a similar start to the tradition. A consort dancing on a golden lotus with her feet bound in silk that it so moved the emperor to the extent that other women started binding their feet to attain a high status. It was an upper class phenomenon that spread.

Here in the States we have what we call our upper class, the famous (actors, musicians, etc.) who help perpetuate an ideal of thin beauty through the use of expensive surgeries, heavy laxative use, unhealthy fasting.......those who are not part of that group still seek to emulate them in the sense that it increases their status.
 
beenie

beenie

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waitasec said:
you don't understand my objection to the removal of the clitoral hood?
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She's not saying she approves of removing the clitoral hood, she is saying that the closest comparison to male circumcision is the removal of the clitoral hood. Being that FAR more is removed in FGM, the two are not comparable in terms of suffering and long-term effects.
 
waitasec

waitasec

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ssainhu said:
She's not saying she approves of removing the clitoral hood, she is saying that the closest comparison to male circumcision is the removal of the clitoral hood. Being that FAR more is removed in FGM, the two are not comparable in terms of suffering and long-term effects.
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i don't think i said she approved...
i was just commenting on the visual of what she said...that's all.

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Me Myself

Me Myself

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SKKF said:
They're both circumcision, one might be more extreme however it really all stems from religious practices, of course there are differences but you really have to understand that saying one is O.K. but the other is terrible just seems biased. Btw, there are Jewish people speaking out against circumcision also, it's not just secularist opinion.
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That´s ridiculous. Completely ridiculous.

You can´t genuinely compare psychological trauma for life and ending any kind of sexual pleasure for life to male circumsicion.

It´s so incredibly superficial to think "oh well, both cut pelvis areas for religious reasons, hence the same". If someone barely scratches something in there and if someone takes a chunk of skin so big that the person dies from bleeding are two scenarios that would mean cutting genital area and you could as well throw a religious cult out there for the fun of it. The EFFECTS are still so enormously different that comparing them is nonsense.

The question here for me is to see how real are the effects described for MFG and if they really happen to all of them, most of them, etc. But losing ability to feel anything down there is too far different from male circumsicion.
 
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