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[beenie]

Actually, circumcision was introduced to modern secular England in the modern age precisely for that reason.

Source?

 

[Desert Snake]

Source?

Wikipedia, look up "non religious circumcision".

 

[Storm]

Wikipedia, look up "non religious circumcision".

Given that you just said this of the Almighty Wiki:

I don't view that as a definite, always reliable, source. Do you?

... that's a rather hypocritical response, don't you think?

 

[Desert Snake]

Given that you just said this of the Almighty Wiki:

... that's a rather hypocritical response, don't you think?

I was being sarcastic, I even explained this a few posts later, check the thread, and of course I appreciated his comments and source. This sort of accusation is in poor taste, frankly.

 

[Storm]

I was being sarcastic, I even explained this a few posts later, check the thread, and of course I appreciated his comments and source. This sort of accusation is in poor taste, frankly.

You hadn't when I was posting. Check the timestamps.

That said, it's an odd thing to be sarcastic about, given the problematic nature of relying on Wiki. You do realize it's not actually almighty, right?

 

[Desert Snake]

You hadn't when I was posting. Check the timestamps.

That said, it's an odd thing to be sarcastic about, given the problematic nature of relying on Wiki. You do realize it's not actually almighty, right?

Alot of sources are not completely reliable, so what. It's up to the individual reviewing them to decide for themselves the validity of the opinions given. I'm sure there are many sources, writers, that are used on RF that I don't consider reliable.

 

[beenie]

Wikipedia, look up "non religious circumcision".

Supposing it's true, we're taking about FGM in this thread. Funny how we keep getting back to male circumcision instead.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Supposing it's true, we're taking about FGM in this thread. Funny how we keep getting back to male circumcision instead.

I know, right? I'm all like this -----> opcorn:

 

[Sunstone]

Supposing it's true, we're taking about FGM in this thread. Funny how we keep getting back to male circumcision instead.

I'm no fan of male circumcision, but there are other threads to discuss that. Digressions into male circumcision in this thread are off topic, and should stop.

 

[Mathematician]

God forbid women actually having a CASE about something without having to involve those poor, poor men.

Good grief, how many people have to say that male circumcision isn't an act of kindness for you to believe we're not ignoring male circumcision?

Is it impossible to have a thread that discusses women only without having to distract it with a male pity party?

But medical research (as linked by myself and others) shows female circumcision isn't suppressing the ability to feel pleasure. The OP originally inquired into why this practice is so commonplace. The answer is simple: culture. There's no conspiracy in Africa to make women feel pain for the rest of their lives. Comparing to male circumcision just casts an anthropological perspective.

 

[Father Heathen]

Quite a few males are circumcised routinely, mainly in Muslim or Jewish areas, and a fair amount of American non-religious circumcision for males occurs all the time... I'm not really sure what you're shocked.. about??

The two aren't remotely comparable, son.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

But medical research (as linked by myself and others) shows female circumcision isn't suppressing the ability to feel pleasure. The OP originally inquired into why this practice is so commonplace. The answer is simple: culture. There's no conspiracy in Africa to make women feel pain for the rest of their lives. Comparing to male circumcision just casts an anthropological perspective.

You were the only one to link sources, Gene. And you provided a blog and a study that suggests that circumcised women still feel pleasure.

What you are ignoring is the evidence showing the results from infibrilation of the labia after being excised. You are ignoring the further risks from childbirth and infant mortality due directly to FGM.

Male circumcision does not have the same impact, and you have yet to prove it.

 

[Father Heathen]

But anyway, it's repulsive that such subhuman barbarity is still prevalent in the modern world.

And what's cultural factor that keeps these practices alive? Yeah...exactly.

 

[Mathematician]

You were the only one to link sources, Gene. And you provided a blog and a study that suggests that circumcised women still feel pleasure.

What you are ignoring is the evidence showing the results from infibrilation of the labia after being excised. You are ignoring the further risks from childbirth and infant mortality due directly to FGM.

Male circumcision does not have the same impact, and you have yet to prove it.

I know the destructive consequences of knitting the inner- labia, but as the study I linked to points out most female circumcision (85%) is Type I or less where the clitoris is removed (or just pricked), which does not provide any significant health effects.

I'm hesitant to have our country and its organizations be hypocritical on this issue is all. The recent interest in this topic has been met with demands for more foreign aid funding. We don't need to spend domestic money on a problem we have here.

 

[beenie]

Wikipedia, look up "non religious circumcision".

But medical research (as linked by myself and others) shows female circumcision isn't suppressing the ability to feel pleasure. The OP originally inquired into why this practice is so commonplace. The answer is simple: culture. There's no conspiracy in Africa to make women feel pain for the rest of their lives. Comparing to male circumcision just casts an anthropological perspective.

I couldn't care less what research shows, as it has its own agenda and politics. Reread my post in which I describe my interaction with real live victims.

I dare you to suggest your linked research to them.

As far as concerning ourselves with "cultural practices", we can't unring that bell. That ship sailed when we decided to invade other countries in the name of "democracy".

 

[Flankerl]

Actually, circumcision was introduced to modern secular England in the modern age precisely for that reason.

And it didnt work because circumcised boys play as much with their little sword as other boys.


You are grasping straws.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I know the destructive consequences of knitting the inner- labia, but as the study I linked to points out most female circumcision (85%) is Type I or less where the clitoris is removed (or just pricked), which does not provide any significant health effects.

I'm hesitant to have our country and its organizations be hypocritical on this issue is all. The recent interest in this topic has been met with demands for more foreign aid funding. We don't need to spend domestic money on a problem we have here.

B. S. Gene. Type I and Type II are the most common, where the clitoral hood and/or entire cliterodectomies are performed, which has immediate and long-ranging effects on the woman's health and sexual function.

Cliterodectomy is equivalent to removing the entire glans if the penis. Not so bad, is it?

 

[Desert Snake]

I still look at this from a general perspective.
We shouldn't modify normal children without informed consent, either male or female.
It's their decision for when they're ready.

The most sensible comments of the thread, methinks.

 

[alwayswondering]

However, female circumcision has been banned in Egypt since and the practice is dying out, albeit at a slower pace in less-educated areas of the country.

Correction: It was banned after the outcry because a little girl was subjected to the procedure and hemorrhaged until she died. That has, however, changed and it's completely legal if a doctor decides it's necessary. What constitutes necessary? Most often, the parents' desire to make it so lest their daughter become "sexy."

Egyptians have been mutilating female genitals since time immortal. There are mummies that clearly show they've undergone the procedure. In fact, the most sever form is also known as the "pharaohic" type.

It's a tradition that goes back thousands of years and it knows no religious boundaries. Egyptian Muslims find justification in hadith, although religious scholars firmly state the hadith is weak, that FGM is not Islamic.

The practice is least common among people with money, of the upper class, and more common as the population's income decreases. In other words, it goes hand-in-hand with poverty.

And, really, how can anyone equate female genital mutilation with male circumcision?

 

[fgmasylum]

This is very bad statistical.I had never see these types of statistic-tics in any county.