What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

[URAVIP2ME]

The evidence some people claim to have for the existence of god is as credible and verifiable as the evidence I have for the fairies at the bottom of my garden.

But, I find God did Not have fairies at the bottom of His garden (Eden) either.
So, it is good to know that neither of you have fairies at the bottom of your gardens.

Speaking about gardens, if you were out working in your garden and someone came along and interrupted you, would you say because of the interruption I would Not go back to my garden, or rather once the interruption was over then you would go back to your garden _______
I find there was an interruption in Eden, someone from the outside threw a monkey wrench, so to speak, into Eden.
That destruction of Eden did Not mean God would Not go back to His garden, but once the get-in-the-way interruption from the outside is over, then He will go back to His original beautiful paradisical garden purpose.
This world's ' garden of weeden ' as we know it today is only a temporary interruption.
For God will power up His ' Weed Wacker ' and take out the ' weed patches ' (tares/weeds) and keep the good.
Then, we will see it is only the ' weeds be gone ' at the soon coming: weeding time of separating - Matthew 25:31-33

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why would it be impossible to live in a godless universe?

To me, it would be impossible because a godless universe would allow for No morals.
No morals would mean the stronger wicked could and would overpower the rest.

 

[Unguru]

It's not a question of "evidence", the real question is: are you actually trying?

 

[WalterTrull]

The evidence some people claim to have for the existence of god is as credible and verifiable as the evidence I have for the fairies at the bottom of my garden.

Holy doo doo!! You got fairies in your garden? Very LGBT of you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I read the bible (before I was certain I was an atheist) and it's an incoherent, and often self-contradictory, mess, that provides no overall message at all - let alone anything resembling "proof"..

I find a lot of people read, or claim to read the Bible, but the Bible is Not a novel.
Reading or studying or researching the Bible is Not the same thing as just reading it like a novel would be read.
The Bible is Not written ABC as a dictionary is, so the Bible needs to researched by topic or subject arrangement.
Then, the internal harmony among its many writers shows through.
The Bible does have an overall theme: The theme of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
This is the kingdom theme Jesus taught for us to pray for to come ( thy kingdom come ).
That is why the overall good news message of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is for all.
I see mankind's history has proven that mankind can't successfully govern himself.
I see incoherent, and often self-contradictory, mess, that provides No overall good news message at all for mankind.
- Let alone do I see anything resembling "proof" that mankind can or will solve mankind's problems.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Here, let me put this in perspective:
Harry Potter people are everywhere on Earth is evidence, as the Harry Potter book is tangible evidence.
There is No way humans on their own can get together to spread the good news of Hogwarts.
Meaning No way possible without magical backing. That proclaiming about Hogwarts even bridges languages.
I can post a link which is found at www.I_can_make_up_stuff_too.org

In perspective: (Not made up stuff )
Please post for us how many different languages Harry Potter has been translated into____________
Please post how many different languages the Bible has been translated into_________
Please post how many Harry Potter people are known everywhere on Earth _________
Please post how many Bible people are known everywhere on Earth _______
Please post how many Harry Potter people are proclaiming Harry Potter has the good news of God's kingdom_____

 

[Subduction Zone]

True.

Many theists do not have a proper understanding of the concept.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I find the generally accepted explanation for our living, absurd. I find a heavenly (mental) cause and continuous support much more rational.

Why?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think with religious faith is down to where you live, your parents faith, the school you attend etc. I see faith more as a local indoctrination.

I find it is true that culture, or cultural bias, does play a part in faith, but as Jesus said his sheep would hear his voice.
So, genuine Christians do ' hear his voice ' No matter what culture they were raised or influenced in.
To me ' local indoctrination ' is more like credulity (blind faith) rather than a faith based on biblical persuasion.
Meaning persuaded by one's own biblical study and researching of Scripture.

 

[ChristineM]

I find it is true that culture, or cultural bias, does play a part in faith, but as Jesus said his sheep would hear his voice.
So, genuine Christians do ' hear his voice ' No matter what culture they were raised or influenced in.
To me ' local indoctrination ' is more like credulity (blind faith) rather than a faith based on biblical persuasion.
Meaning persuaded by one's own biblical study and researching of Scripture.

Nope, christians who were raised as christians are christians, christians who have converted to christianity are christians. Hearing the voice of guy who died 2000 years ago has another name.

One would rarely be studying the bible unless brought up to consider the bible worth study. Of course there are, a relatively few, theologians who study whatever religious books their learning takes them who may or may not be christian.

 

[WalterTrull]

Why?

Oh dear, this thread is already 13 pages long. Oh well.
I can not find the assumption of gazillions of happy accidents happening over and over producing life reasonable. I can find a single mentality producing myriad images acceptable. Just one thing to explain. (I can't really explain it, but so much easier to deal with.) Ooohh and expanding, I like that.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Nope, christians who were raised as christians are christians, christians who have converted to christianity are christians. Hearing the voice of guy who died 2000 years ago has another name.
One would rarely be studying the bible unless brought up to consider the bible worth study. Of course there are, a relatively few, theologians who study whatever religious books their learning takes them who may or may not be christian.

Well, I must say different ones I know raised as 'christians ' are Not necessarily Christians today.
I know many raised as 'christians ' don't even bother to consider going to 'church ' - Hebrews 10:25.
One person raised as part of Christendom told me the Bible is myth and superstition because someone she knows entered the seminary and that is what he told her.
Another told me she left the ' church ' in the 60's over birth-control issues and has never returned.
... and the list goes on....

 

[ChristineM]

Well, I must say different ones I know raised as 'christians ' are Not necessarily Christians today.
I know many raised as 'christians ' don't even bother to consider going to 'church ' - Hebrews 10:25.
One person raised as part of Christendom told me the Bible is myth and superstition because someone she knows entered the seminary and that is what he told her.
Another told me she left the ' church ' in the 60's over birth-control issues and has never returned.
... and the list goes on....

Yet despite the tumbling bums on seats christianity is still the largest religion. The centres of belief show my original statement to be accurate.

There are many christians. Soom few, who were rased as christians have learned other paths for their own reasons.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh dear, this thread is already 13 pages long. Oh well.
I can not find the assumption of gazillions of happy accidents happening over and over producing life reasonable. I can find a single mentality producing myriad images acceptable. Just one thing to explain. (I can't really explain it, but so much easier to deal with.) Ooohh and expanding, I like that.

That is a misunderstanding of evolution. First off people are not the goal of evolution. They are the result.

Let's take a look at the lottery. When someone pays his "stupid tax" and buys a ticket he is not the goal of the lottery in general. But let's say against great odds he wins. His winning was merely the result of the drawing, it was not planned that way.

The process of evolution will produce results. That you happen to be one of the "luck winners" was a result and not a goal. People tend to put too much stock in themselves when they think that they were some sort of end in mind.

 

[ChristineM]

That is a misunderstanding of evolution. First off people are not the goal of evolution. They are the result.

Let's take a look at the lottery. When someone pays his "stupid tax" and buys a ticket he is not the goal of the lottery in general. But let's say against great odds he wins. His winning was merely the result of the drawing, it was not planned that way.

The process of evolution will produce results. That you happen to be one of the "luck winners" was a result and not a goal. People tend to put too much stock in themselves when they think that they were some sort of end in mind.

It is a sign of hubris, conceit, egotism that i notice among anti evolutionists. Its almost as though they deny evolution because ot diminishes their vanity

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Also, and yet, my evidence is that it would be impossible for you and I to exist in a Godless universe. I guess we may as well desist. We appear to disagree not only on what God is, but on what we see, and what the universe is.

"evidence"? If you have to believe in it beforehand, it's not actually evidence, is it?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I find a lot of people read, or claim to read the Bible, but the Bible is Not a novel.
Reading or studying or researching the Bible is Not the same thing as just reading it like a novel would be read.
The Bible is Not written ABC as a dictionary is, so the Bible needs to researched by topic or subject arrangement..

I did exactly that-- 3 times-- in a college level course, given by a christian institution.

Study of that ugly, immoral book has made me into the atheist I am today.

No way, could a Good Deity have been responsible for a book that tells you how to treat your slaves, and it's #1 list of Commands, starts with 4 egotistical, narcissistic rules to stroke the ego of it's deity.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

In perspective: (Not made up stuff )
Please post for us how many different languages Harry Potter has been translated into____________.

Thousands, I would say. I'm not here to fix your severely educational lack of reality.

Please post how many different languages the Bible has been translated into_________.

Argument From Popularity Logical Fallacy. Who gives a fig if the Unholy, Evil Babble was forced to fit many different languages. Was it ever translated into KLINGON?

No? THEN I WIN!

Please post how many Harry Potter people are known everywhere on Earth _________.

Every nation on the planet-- in fact? The stories and characters are NOW MORE KNOWN THAN THE UGLY BIBLE'S FAIRY TALES.

Outsold the ugly bible too-- AND PEOPLE WANT TO READ HARRY POTTER.

In contrast to the unreadable and immoral bilble.

Please post how many Bible people are known everywhere on Earth _______.

Argument From Popularity Logical Fallacy..... was the bilebill EVER published on Vulcan?

How about on Q'onoS? No? Well, there you go! Those people have better sense.

Please post how many Harry Potter people are proclaiming Harry Potter has the good news of God's kingdom_____

Dude! EVERY SINGLE FANBOY AND FANGURL ON EARTH. Duuuuhhh!

Have you NEVER been to a Quiddich Match? No?

Well... there you go!

 

[WalterTrull]

That is a misunderstanding of evolution. First off people are not the goal of evolution. They are the result

My feeling is that evolution is a misunderstanding of life. People don't seem the goal of evolution, they are the cause. Well, the cause of the misunderstanding.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My feeling is that evolution is a misunderstanding of life. People don't seem the goal of evolution, they are the cause. Well, the cause of the misunderstanding.

People are a result. That is all. People have to distort evolution to try to claim that they are a goal.