What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

[oldbadger]

This is a world of opposites. As you do well know by now, we do not beleive in an independent source of evil.

Heaven is nearness to God, Hell is remoteness.

All refernce to Satan is reference to our lower self and the choices we make. Even the Manifestations of God have a human aspect that they subdue. We see that recorded in all the scriptures.

Also this verse is relevant,

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

This passage is now in context with the above;



Thus we turn to our potential, which are the virtues given by God, or we stay bound to this world.

Regards Tony

We say 'this' but we really mean 'that'.
We use this word but we don't really believe in it literally.

Anytime we get cornered we can dive in to the symbolic, the metaphor, the analogy.

 

[nPeace]

Not really, unless you are laughing at your own ignorance. In the science a theory is totally different from your attempted use of the word. You would be hard pressed to find a scientific theory in the present meaning that has been refuted. The closest that I have seen creationist come up with is the theory of phlogiston, and that was refuted shorty before the U.S. became a nation.

Here is the post where you first screwed up:

"I'm not asking for scientific facts, and scientific theories. Thanks.
Would you like me to pull up a dictionary on theory, so you can say evolution is not a theory in that sense, but a different theory?"

Since then you have been trying to justify your error. I was not the only one that called you out on your mistake, why the false attack against me?

You tried to defend it by saying that others could not read your mind, yet only a person that had no clue would even mention using a lay dictionary for a scientific term.

I do admit that I am wrong quite often. Sadly creationists are almost never right. This is simply another case where you were wrong. A relatively low bar for me to pass. You need to do a lot better than this.

What error did I make?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We say 'this' but we really mean 'that'.
We use this word but we don't really believe in it literally.

Anytime we get cornered we can dive in to the symbolic, the metaphor, the analogy.

Who sets what is good and evil?

Some say a lion killing is evil, but for a lion it is a way of life. Thus killing for food or dominance is a neccessary state of the animal world. We have the choice not to, who gave us that choice?

If you say we do, then we already have a problem as what is a virtue for some, is not for others

Abdul'baha gives a good talk in this, remember that to explain the spiritual material metaphor is needed;

".....The true explanation of this subject is very difficult. Know that beings are of two kinds: material and spiritual, those perceptible to the senses and those intellectual....."

The full article here;

The Nonexistence of Evil—‘Abdu’l-Bahá

Regards Tony

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

One has to believe in God and cultivate mind and body before you will gain any "Proof" Because if you do not search within you God will not let you in to the wisdom needed to get your Proof.

The proof you looking for is called spiritual wisdom, and without spiritual wisdom you will remain "blind" to the truth, That is why siritual people can use many many years to gain what you see as proof, but they will not be able to prove God to you. Only you can get the proof that God exist for you, Because God show only to those who seek in a rightroues way.

I wonder if anybody sees just how impossibly "circular" this argument is?

I remember a long time ago somebody told me, "in order to prove the existence of angels, first you have to posit their existence." Yeah, sounds about right....

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?"
You and me.

That answer is, in its very essence, non-responsive.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There is no evidence hence the reason a person needs faith. If evidence existed there would be no faith.

It never fails to amaze me that so few can actually see what this means, down here on earth!

If there is no evidence, and thus faith is required, what (in the absence of evidence) informs that faith? In other words, how do you know what you should believe, if there's nothing to back your beliefs up? And the consequence would seem to be (as it certainly appears all through human history down to this very day) you get to decide what you believe for whatever reasons appeal to you. And then act on it, if you'd like....or not.

And how's that been working for us on this little world we inhabit?

 

[oldbadger]

Who sets what is good and evil?

Tony!
Bahai does not even believe in 'evil'!
So why try to use the word?

Abdul'baha gives a good talk in this, remember that to explain the spiritual material metaphor is needed;

".....The true explanation of this subject is very difficult. Know that beings are of two kinds: material and spiritual, those perceptible to the senses and those intellectual....."

Of course it was difficult for Abdul Baha...... he clearly didn't know anything about spirits or spiritualism.
You must remember that a Spiritualist does not need metaphor to talk about spirit, Tony.

The very fact that Abdul thought that spirit was about 'Intellectual Senses' is extremely odd........ this suggests that intelligence = spirit.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am of the opinion that the Biblical god is a human creation, I have not seen any evidence to suggest otherwise. If god really exists why does it hide away, instead of revealing itself to all humanity in a way that is indisputable?

Because all of humanity is not deserving of knowing that God exists for the same reason that all of humanity does not deserve a PhD in Physics.

 

[ChristineM]

It never fails to amaze me that so few can actually see what this means, down here on earth!

If there is no evidence, and thus faith is required, what (in the absence of evidence) informs that faith? In other words, how do you know what you should believe, if there's nothing to back your beliefs up? And the consequence would seem to be (as it certainly appears all through human history down to this very day) you get to decide what you believe for whatever reasons appeal to you. And then act on it, if you'd like....or not.

And how's that been working for us on this little world we inhabit?

I think with religious faith is down to where you live, your parents faith, the school you attend etc. I see faith more as a local indoctrination.

 

[WalterTrull]

That answer is, in its very essence, non-responsive.

Actually, it is the very essence of truth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually, it is the very essence of truth.

It was not evidence at all. It also puts a huge burden of proof upon you if you reason it out.

 

[JJ50]

Because all of humanity is not deserving of knowing that God exists for the same reason that all of humanity does not deserve a PhD in Physics.

Humanity has a RIGHT to know if god exists, it there are penalties for non belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Humanity has a RIGHT to know if god exists, it there are penalties for non belief.

I just can't see how believers can justify a God that plays Hide and Go Seek.

 

[WalterTrull]

It was not evidence at all. It also puts a huge burden of proof upon you if you reason it out.

I am, you are, at least we appear to each other. Seems like the closest thing we get to evidence. Impossible without a Godish thing. Well, close enough for me to call it God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am, you are, at least we appear to each other. Seems like the closest thing we get to evidence. Impossible without a Godish thing. Well, close enough for me to call it God.

yet it appears that and I would exist in a godless universe so how is that evidence for God?

 

[WalterTrull]

yet it appears that and I would exist in a godless universe so how is that evidence for God?

Also, and yet, my evidence is that it would be impossible for you and I to exist in a Godless universe. I guess we may as well desist. We appear to disagree not only on what God is, but on what we see, and what the universe is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Also, and yet, my evidence is that it would be impossible for you and I to exist in a Godless universe. I guess we may as well desist. We appear to disagree not only on what God is, but on what we see, and what the universe is.

What evidence is that?

We may disagree on what is and what is not evidence.

 

[WalterTrull]

We may disagree on what is and what is not evidence.

True.

 

[JJ50]

Also, and yet, my evidence is that it would be impossible for you and I to exist in a Godless universe. I guess we may as well desist. We appear to disagree not only on what God is, but on what we see, and what the universe is.

Why would it be impossible to live in a godless universe?

 

[WalterTrull]

Why would it be impossible to live in a godless universe?

I find the generally accepted explanation for our living, absurd. I find a heavenly (mental) cause and continuous support much more rational.