What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

[TransmutingSoul]

Please forgive me for drawing the above to the attentions of @Vinayaka and @CG Didymus .
I cannot beging to guess how they will respond to that, but my response is this:-
Bahauallah didn't even make it as a Persian manifestation, although as a Deist I do accept that Bahauallah was a tiny tiny portion of God, just as you, I, the atoms in our home and my wife's little dachshunds are .......

You are welcome to draw that and any conclusion. That is the bounty of God our greatest gift of free will and a great proof to many of God.

There are billions that see their Manifestation does prove God. So here we are, you to yours me to mine, as to what is right, that will be found in time.

Until then, all the best oldbadger and stay well and happy, regards Tony

 

[ratiocinator]

Because it is a proposed cause or reason.

So is the Great Green Arkleseizure but I'm not about to take that seriously.

You yourself have already accepted that there is a cause or reason, and neither you or I have certitude for or against a God-Reason.

I didn't accept there was a cause, I said I didn't know. The real question is why you want to emphasise "god-reasons". Either there is some reason to take an idea seriously or it's in the same category as invisible pink fairies weaving the universe out of magic poetry.

Because Science knows about knowledge you think that Science can know about Godlessness?

I never made such a claim. What I did say is that if a proposal follows logically from a reasonable extrapolation of what we know, that is a reason to at least take it seriously - well more seriously than the Great Green Arkleseizure or gods, anyway.

I don't know how the Universe was caused, or what lies beyond it.
Agnosticism = 1 (for honesty)
Theism = 0
Deism = 0
Atheism = 0
Adeism = 0

As I said, atheism is about belief and agnosticism is about knowledge - they aren't mutually exclusive. Strictly speaking we all need to be agnostic about anything we can't falsify - but you wouldn't be in any doubt as to what you believe about my invisible dragon, would you? You wouldn't have a belief that it exists, just as I suspect you wouldn't believe in fairies, leprechauns, or the Great Green Arkleseizure...

 

[oldbadger]

I see we choose not to pursue spiritual evidence. I see we want all our material senses to be satisfied.

Regards Tony

Yeah..... we..... you and I together.....

Bahai ideas about things spiritual do seem strange to me. If humans have spirits then so do sparrows, or beetles.

 

[oldbadger]

You are welcome to draw that and any conclusion. That is the bounty of God our greatest gift of free will and a great proof to many of God.

Tell all that to the Bahai Covenant Breakers....

There are billions that see their Manifestation does prove God. So here we are, you to yours me to mine, as to what is right, that will be found in time.

Oh My ........ and now you have decided to turn your Bahai Faith in to a Bahai Certitude!

Until then, all the best oldbadger and stay well and happy, regards Tony

And to you and yours, Tony......

 

[Milton Platt]

Well there are the Messengers who give themselves as the greatest proof. They also say they are why it all started. That they came and looked like you and I was most likely why the Wow moment is hidden from us all.

This is that passage, which is from God to answer this OP question about proof;

"....Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His Essence and reveal it unto men. He is, and hath ever been, immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived. From His retreat of glory His voice is ever proclaiming: “Verily, I am God; there is none other God besides Me, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. I have manifested Myself unto men, and have sent down Him Who is the Day Spring of the signs of My Revelation. Through Him I have caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him, the Incomparable, the All-Informed, the All-Wise.” He Who is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men can never be known except through His Manifestation, and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person..."

By the way, we know that there is no way the mind can fathom the extent of creation. All we can know is but one lamp of another 100,000,000 other lamps.

All planets have creatures. Some have beings like us that can also know and love God. Baha'u'llah is a universal Manifestation, not restricted to earth.

The future will be mind blowing for us that live in this age with such dull minds. Wish I had the vision of the whole in this matrix, but most likely will leave this matrix before those eyes develop.

Great hey Regards Tony

can you demonstrate that your quote is from a god? and also demonstrate that your messengers are speaking on his behalf

 

[oldbadger]

So is the Great Green Arkleseizure but I'm not about to take that seriously.

You can chuck as many ideas as you like at the wall but the thread title 'What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?' is all about that.

I am a Deist and so like atheists I have a belief, and many Theists have Faiths, but not many people have certitude about how the Universe was caused or initiated.

And so it doesn't matter how many strange ideas you dig up, you are back at the point of 'DON'T KNOW!'

I didn't accept there was a cause, I said I didn't know.

Oh dear.....
The law of cause and effect states that: Every effect has a specific and predictable cause. Every cause or action has a specific and predictable effect. This means that everything that we currently have in our lives is an effect that is a result of a specific cause.

The real question is why you want to emphasise "god-reasons". Either there is some reason to take an idea seriously or it's in the same category as invisible pink fairies weaving the universe out of magic poetry.

No........ the real question is HOW & WHY.
I could ask why you are so driven as to refute what you cannot FALSIFY. Now FALSIFICATION is what drives you, as shown further down your post.
To FALSIFY you have to disprove, and YOU DO NOT KNOW.

I never made such a claim. What I did say is that if a proposal follows logically from a reasonable extrapolation of what we know, that is a reason to at least take it seriously - well more seriously than the Great Green Arkleseizure or gods, anyway.

But we don't know. At this very time the best astronomers, mathematicians and physicists are in polite professional contention about the initiation of the Universe or what might lay beyond, and here you are, suggesting that you know how to ditch possibilities based on 'extrapolations'.
Illogical..

As I said, .................................... Strictly speaking we all need to be agnostic about anything we can't falsify

I had to remove a couple of sentences there just to highlight the really important one.

And so your scientific method is all about falsifying. Therefore you have to show how you intend to falsify some of the proposals for our existence.

But Scientists tend to seek for facts, not the other way around.

- but you wouldn't be in any doubt as to what you believe about my invisible dragon, would you? You wouldn't have a belief that it exists, just as I suspect you wouldn't believe in fairies, leprechauns, or the Great Green Arkleseizure...

On the side---- I may know a lot more than you about seizures. The very word sets my teeth on edge.

Your invisible dragon may be real for you, and I don't laugh at folks who believe in fairies or leprechauns. I don't laugh at anybody anymore, but I do expect science to be logical, and science at this time cannot disprove Gods because it has not found any evidence to show any reasons at all for the initiation of everything.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yeah..... we..... you and I together.....

Bahai ideas about things spiritual do seem strange to me. If humans have spirits then so do sparrows, or beetles.

Yes they do, there is 5 levels of Spirit we draw upon.

Regards Tony

 

[Milton Platt]

I see we choose not to pursue spiritual evidence. I see we want all our material senses to be satisfied.

Regards Tony

In otherwords, you think one should believe without empirical data that can be verified?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In otherwords, you think one should believe without empirical data that can be verified?

Or in other words one can ignore or give no credit to what is of the Spiritual Worlds.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Please forgive me for drawing the above to the attentions of @Vinayaka and @CG Didymus .
I cannot beging to guess how they will respond to that, but my response is this:-
Bahauallah didn't even make it as a Persian manifestation, although as a Deist I do accept that Bahauallah was a tiny tiny portion of God, just as you, I, the atoms in our home and my wife's little dachshunds are .......

I have no response. It's nothing new.

 

[Milton Platt]

Or in other words one can ignore or give no credit to what is of the Spiritual Worlds.

Regards Tony

So what is of the “spiritual world” whatever that implies, lacks evidence that can be falsified and therfore is to be taken wholly on faith?
How can one examine this spiritual,world and test for it’s existence? Why should something be believed without evidence?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So what is of the “spiritual world” whatever that implies, lacks evidence that can be falsified and therfore is to be taken wholly on faith?
How can one examine this spiritual,world and test for it’s existence? Why should something be believed without evidence?

Evidence is slowly coming to light. We need to spend on and think science instead of war, before these spiritual truths are then scientifically pursued and found to be firm.

Dreams and NDE show that Mind is not part of the flesh body. A good scientific comparison is how trees and forrests communicate.

How trees talk to each other

Soul/spirit is not attached to the body, this is our true selves that powers the brain.

Regards Tony

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What evidence do you have for your lunch taken yesterday. Show us what you ate in one of your million meals you ever had in your life time!

Diversion. Rabbit Trail. Me eating or no? Isn't important.

God-claims? Are--because too many god-sellers use their imaginary god to persecute others.

And nobody-- ever--- has any evidence for any gods, ever.

If you had any? You'd rub it in our faces all the time.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Scientifically, ToE can easily be debunked and falsified..

100% false.

Lions can interbreed with tigers to give ligers. So after one million years of change by adapting the nature and perhaps interbreed back and forth with other species, now what conclusion can be drawn about what ligers are?

That has zip all to do with anything. Doesn't debunk anything.

Fail.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I'm not asking for scientific facts, and scientific theories. Thanks.
Would you like me to pull up a dictionary on theory, so you can say evolution is not a theory in that sense, but a different theory?

*sigh*

In science, there is only one meaning of the word "theory"-- and it's not how you mean the word, either.

Evolution? IS BOTH THEORY AND FACT. It happened. Fact. The theory explains how it happened and why.

Which is why under-educated god-sellers hate it so much...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Bible people are everywhere on Earth is evidence, as the Bible is tangible evidence.
There is No way humans on their own can get together to spread the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Meaning No way possible without divine backing. That proclaiming about Matthew 24:14 even bridges languages.
I can post a link which is found at www.jw.org

Here, let me put this in perspective:


Harry Potter people are everywhere on Earth is evidence, as the Harry Potter book is tangible evidence.
There is No way humans on their own can get together to spread the good news of Hogwarts.

Meaning No way possible without magical backing. That proclaiming about Hogwarts even bridges languages.
I can post a link which is found at www.I_can_make_up_stuff_too.org

 

[nPeace]

*sigh*

In science, there is only one meaning of the word "theory"-- and it's not how you mean the word, either.

Evolution? IS BOTH THEORY AND FACT. It happened. Fact. The theory explains how it happened and why.

Which is why under-educated god-sellers hate it so much...

How do I mean the word theory?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do I mean the word theory?

Hard to say. Perhaps you could be clear on what you mean. You did make the mistake of bringing up the idea of a dictionary.

 

[oldbadger]

Yes they do, there is 5 levels of Spirit we draw upon.

Regards Tony

Would you like to list these 5 levels of Spirit?

 

[oldbadger]

Or in other words one can ignore or give no credit to what is of the Spiritual Worlds.

Regards Tony

But you do not give any credit to mediums, spiritualists or healers who claim that they are in contact with Spirit Worlds.

It's just another Bahai 'We do but we don't' message.