What was the Leviathan?

[The Fog Horn]

OP has still has not shown when any volcanic activity took place in Israel.


he spends all his free time spamming religious boards with there unfounded imaginative examples that not only have no credibility, they are simply laughable

The whole area including Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi, Ethiopia....'holy' areas where the Abrahamic religions originated or were followed....lies on diverging plates pulling apart and leaving rifts (Suez Canal, Red Sea, Gulf of Aqaba, Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee and all rifts). Rifts contain most of the volcanoes, hence the reason why the vast majority of eruptions occur underwater...and almost always produce evidence of their existence.

Are you trying to suggest that this rifting area is totally different to all other areas? Or are you being so pedantic because only a massive volcano sprouting out of the centre of Jerusalem would convince you?

 

[Iti oj]

I am/was the leviathan...

 

[outhouse]

The whole area including Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi, Ethiopia....'holy' areas where the Abrahamic religions originated or were followed....lies on diverging plates pulling apart and leaving rifts (Suez Canal, Red Sea, Gulf of Aqaba, Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee and all rifts). Rifts contain most of the volcanoes, hence the reason why the vast majority of eruptions occur underwater...and almost always produce evidence of their existence.

Are you trying to suggest that this rifting area is totally different to all other areas? Or are you being so pedantic because only a massive volcano sprouting out of the centre of Jerusalem would convince you?

WHERE IS THE VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ISRAEL!

WHEN WERE THE ERUPTIONS :slap:

 

[Riverwolf]

The whole area including Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi, Ethiopia....'holy' areas where the Abrahamic religions originated or were followed....lies on diverging plates pulling apart and leaving rifts (Suez Canal, Red Sea, Gulf of Aqaba, Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee and all rifts). Rifts contain most of the volcanoes, hence the reason why the vast majority of eruptions occur underwater...and almost always produce evidence of their existence.

Are you trying to suggest that this rifting area is totally different to all other areas? Or are you being so pedantic because only a massive volcano sprouting out of the centre of Jerusalem would convince you?

All you're doing is speculating based on the fact that the area is volcanic, and imagery in the Bible that could be describing volcanic activity. Those may be the case, but unless you have physical evidence of a volcanic eruption or series of eruptions that occurred in the proper time frame, and we do have the ability to determine such things, there is no reason to take your speculations seriously.

I, too, live in a prone to geologic activity, including a volcano. But Mt. Shasta has not erupted in centuries, nor will it for several more. If it does in my lifetime, if I'm still right were I am, I'd be more or less unaware of the eruption. In addition, as you know, Mt. St. Helens, not too far geologically from where I am, erupted about 30 years ago. The last time it had erupted was about 700 years ago.

In addition... do you honestly think a human being could survive such close proximity to such an eruption? The people of Pompeii and Herculaneum didn't. Why, then, would Moses and the Israelites?

 

[The Fog Horn]

All you're doing is speculating based on the fact that the area is volcanic, and imagery in the Bible that could be describing volcanic activity. Those may be the case, but unless you have physical evidence of a volcanic eruption or series of eruptions that occurred in the proper time frame, and we do have the ability to determine such things, there is no reason to take your speculations seriously.

I, too, live in a prone to geologic activity, including a volcano. But Mt. Shasta has not erupted in centuries, nor will it for several more. If it does in my lifetime, if I'm still right were I am, I'd be more or less unaware of the eruption. In addition, as you know, Mt. St. Helens, not too far geologically from where I am, erupted about 30 years ago. The last time it had erupted was about 700 years ago.

In addition... do you honestly think a human being could survive such close proximity to such an eruption? The people of Pompeii and Herculaneum didn't. Why, then, would Moses and the Israelites?

The ancient Hebrews did not start out in Israel. They started out in Egypt where the biggest volcanic eruption of recorded history caused total destruction...Santorini....so big was it it brought down a dynasty in China! They then went off to Midian in Saudi and worshipped Mt Sinai, the volcano. Not all volcanoes spew out lava all the time. Some live calderas can be stood next to easily. Saudi is home to more than one type of volcano, one of which mostly emits flaming gasses. What do you think caused the burning bush story? What was Jethro's deity? Why do you think Saudi has so much oil...and precious stones....all in abundance in volcanic areas. Why do you think Saudi was the mecca for deities?

The Hebrews moved up to Palestine leaving behind their deities....and therefore amending their deity to become omnipresent, something he most certainly was not at the start.

 

[Riverwolf]

the ancient Hebrews did not start out in Israel. They started out in Egypt where the biggest volcanic eruption of recorded history caused total destruction...Santorini....so big was it it brought down a dynasty in China!

Santorini was not in Egypt; it was to the North in the Aegean Sea.

Did the people in the area know about the eruption? Where's your physical proof of such if you believe it to be so?

They then went off to Midian in Saudi and worshipped Mt Sinai, the volcano. Not all volcanoes spew out lava all the time. Some live calderas can be stood next to easily. Saudi is home to more than one type of volcano, one of which mostly emits flaming gasses. What do you think caused the burning bush story? What was Jethro's deity? Why do you think Saudi has so much oil...and precious stones....all in abundance in volcanic areas. Why do you think Saudi was the mecca for deities?

It was a hub of trade in the Ancient world. Why not that?

The Hebrews moved up to Palestine leaving behind their deities....and therefore amending their deity to become omnipresent, something he most certainly was not at the start.

Where's the physical evidence for this speculation?

 

[1137]

Ignoring the baffoon before you, the ancient Hebrews did not start out in Israel. They started out in Egypt where the biggest volcanic eruption of recorded history caused total destruction...Santorini....so big was it it brought down a dynasty in China! They then went off to Midian in Saudi and worshipped Mt Sinai, the volcano. Not all volcanoes spew out lava all the time. Some live calderas can be stood next to easily. Saudi is home to more than one type of volcano, one of which mostly emits flaming gasses. What do you think caused the burning bush story? What was Jethro's deity? Why do you think Saudi has so much oil...and precious stones....all in abundance in volcanic areas. Why do you think Saudi was the mecca for deities?

The Hebrews moved up to Palestine leaving behind their deities....and therefore amending their deity to become omnipresent, something he most certainly was not at the start.

1. The Jewish people existed before enslavement in Egypt.

2. The Jews being slaves in Egypt is nothing but myth. Not only was "slavery" then and there nothing like we make it out to be, but there is no record of the Jews being there or the events that happened.

 

[The Fog Horn]

Riverwolf...

YOU SAID...In addition... do you honestly think a human being could survive such close proximity to such an eruption? The people of Pompeii and Herculaneum didn't. Why, then, would Moses and the Israelites? END

You do know that Moses' face shon when he descended Mt Sinai. It was so noticeable he hid it with a shawl.....and when he came out of the Holy of Holies after viewing the glory of Yahweh, which I believe was a lava vent. You do also know that the Hebrews were warned to 'not go up to the mount nor touch it or surely you will be shot through'...by fiery balls of brimstone no doubt. So, this volcano was possible to climb (probably the forty days was an exageration aimed at making the super hero more super) but it was not safe.

 

[Riverwolf]

Riverwolf...

YOU SAID...In addition... do you honestly think a human being could survive such close proximity to such an eruption? The people of Pompeii and Herculaneum didn't. Why, then, would Moses and the Israelites? END

You do know that Moses' face shon when he descended Mt Sinai. It was so noticeable he hid it with a shawl.....and when he came out of the Holy of Holies after viewing the glory of Yahweh, which I believe was a lava vent. You do also know that the Hebrews were warned to 'not go up to the mount nor touch it or surely you will be shot through'...by fiery balls of brimstone no doubt. So, this volcano was possible to climb (probably the forty days was an exageration aimed at making the super hero more super) but it was not safe.

So, you have no physical evidence?

Why, then, should I take anything you say in this matter seriously? Sure, there are several types of volcanoes, but if Sinai is a different type than Thera, then the two have nothing to do with each other in terms of your hypothesis.

 

[The Fog Horn]

1. The Jewish people existed before enslavement in Egypt.

2. The Jews being slaves in Egypt is nothing but myth. Not only was "slavery" then and there nothing like we make it out to be, but there is no record of the Jews being there or the events that happened.

The Jews were Habiru, people living on the edge of society and from all sorts of backgrounds. Many will have been refugees fleeing the intermitently erupting Santorini north of Egypt. It made a few small threats before doing the biggie and as there is no physical evidence of skeletons on ash on the island, it is assumed everyone made it off the island in time to relocate elsewhere. This habiru theory explains the twelve tribes of Israel story.....the geneological backgrounds made up to create a family history far more concrete than it actually was. The refugees from Santorini and Crete will have brought their supersticious beliefs with them, possibly contributing volcano worship and the golden calf.

 

[1137]

The Jews were Habiru, people living on the edge of society and from all sorts of backgrounds. Many will have been refugees fleeing the intermitently erupting Santorini north of Egypt. It made a few small threats before doing the biggie and as there is no physical evidence of skeletons on ash on the island, it is assumed everyone made it off the island in time to relocate elsewhere. This habiru theory explains the twelve tribes of Israel story.....the geneological backgrounds made up to create a family history far more concrete than it actually was. The refugees from Santorini and Crete will have brought their supersticious beliefs with them, possibly contributing volcano worship and the golden calf.

Can you provide a source that the eruption date fits?

 

[The Fog Horn]

So, you have no physical evidence?

Why, then, should I take anything you say in this matter seriously? Sure, there are several types of volcanoes, but if Sinai is a different type than Thera, then the two have nothing to do with each other in terms of your hypothesis.

Physical evidence of what? Moses' sweaty face? Mount Sinai?

The location of Mt Sinai has been suggested as in North-Western Saudi. I am investigating the area of Hail in Saudi. Locating the volcano is not important. What would you expect to find there? An empty crisp packet with the name 'Cheesy Jewish Bites' on it?

Do you not believe in the historical existence of volcano worshippers?

 

[Iti oj]

Can you provide a source that the eruption date fits?

Friday night because i had beans

 

[The Fog Horn]

Can you provide a source that the eruption date fits?

Please Google 'oh my volcano santorini' and you will find at least seven posts on Santorini'.

 

[1137]

Please Google 'oh my volcano santorini' and you will find at least seven posts on Santorini'.

Is this the blog? I said reliable source.

 

[Orias]

Looking at Genesis it is highly unlikely that these authors knew about evolution and related information, therefore the fact that the origins of life may include volcanic activity would have nothing to do with this. Either way, nowhere does it say we decend from Leviathan.

I wouldn't take anything away from the ancients, everything we know now is because of them.

I wouldn't doubt if they were actually aware of evolution, or even the origin of life. Over all of those years many things are lost and gained, translation, meaning, prefix, etc. etc.

 

[The Fog Horn]

Is this the blog? I said reliable source.

Google this....The Iron Furnace of the Bible.....Santorini?.....sums a lot of things up and includes lots of outside sources....if you can bare to go via my blog that is.

 

[Riverwolf]

Physical evidence of what? Moses' sweaty face? Mount Sinai?

The location of Mt Sinai has been suggested as in North-Western Saudi. I am investigating the area of Hail in Saudi. Locating the volcano is not important. What would you expect to find there? An empty crisp packet with the name 'Cheesy Jewish Bites' on it?

Do you not believe in the historical existence of volcano worshippers?

Where did I say or imply something so silly? Of course volcano worship was, and in some cases, still is, real. Doesn't mean El, YHWH, or the Leviathan were ever volcanoes.

I'm asking for evidence of local eruptions in that area that might have been them. The location of Sinai is not known for sure at this time, but you'll have to check to see if any of the current contenders were ever volcanic at one time, and if they were, if it was at the proper time. You'll also need to check for underwater eruptions at this time period.

In addition, you need to determine what, if any, the volcano gods of the area were. What were their names? Roles? Personalities? Prevalence? All this is important.

 

[Riverwolf]

Google this....The Iron Furnace of the Bible.....Santorini?.....sums a lot of things up and includes lots of outside sources....if you can bare to go via my blog that is.

I told you: blogs are not reliable sources of information. At best, they are one person's opinion.

 

[tumbleweed41]

One question Foghorn.

Is this your Blog, or someone else?
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