McBell
Unbound
wow.
Interesting how you would so further my point...
Sad really..
Do you think perhaps that sometime in the near future you could actually try reading for comprehension?
or are you content with being a troll?
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what would be your biggest reason for not joining the LDS??
- Thread starter yourgraceisenough
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Interesting how you would so further my point...
Sad really..
Do you think perhaps that sometime in the near future you could actually try reading for comprehension?
or are you content with being a troll?
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
Seems somebody remembered their bowl of Smart *** this morning.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Amazing, isn't it?
I don't know about you guys, but I'm done feeding this one.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
People can say what they want, I have little doubt that when today is considered ancient history, people will appreciate the efforts of the Mormons in the field of geneology, much how today we appreciate the efforts of Medieval monks who worked many long days to preserve ancient texts that would have been lost otherwise.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
Not a Christian is why. Have a book of Mormon, and it is DRY. I can't sit down to read it when I try, and none of the books have interesting titles. So lack of interest too probably.
My Mormon friend who gave it to me was cool though, I asked him about what he believed and at the time Jesus seeing Aztecs sounded pretty interesting so I asked for a copy of the Book of Mormon. Didn't really know, or had ever heard, of them before becoming friends with him though. He was my first exposer to the the Church of Latter Day Saints. Nice guy and friend.
My Mormon friend who gave it to me was cool though, I asked him about what he believed and at the time Jesus seeing Aztecs sounded pretty interesting so I asked for a copy of the Book of Mormon. Didn't really know, or had ever heard, of them before becoming friends with him though. He was my first exposer to the the Church of Latter Day Saints. Nice guy and friend.
InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect
Member
Amazing, isn't it?
Feeding what? You assume god which is actually pretty far fetched but sure... than you assume a specific god and specific faith and based on how you were raised and what in your life you were exposed too don't see that as irrational. You don't acknowledge the role your environment played in your beliefs while simultaneously asserting your beliefs as something we should travel to other countries and preach because that is the best use of our time... if you don't see the problem there I will happily go into detail but I promise you its anything but trolling.
Walk a mile Apex... Maybe I got that verse wrong though... You are probably right in representing an accurate portrayal... Honestly being mormon or atheist or catholic is not going to make you any nicer or infer in you a sense of understanding others... While we are on this subject didn't Katzpur just imply the same... lets not feed the troll so mass ignore... Its easier I think to do that and pretty much represents how strongly indoctrinated people deal with people who feel strongly that their really strong beliefs are not warranted and probably false. Do not debate... just ad hom and then ignore.
That was my point right? No one can possibly know and understand every other religion but some people can ignore that and just assume their religion is true and baptize the dead and fly all over the world and teach their religion as fact and obviously they can't prove that. They are just missionaries serving a broader purpose they most likely don't even really get and why would I ever blame them?
I would try to eye open perhaps but thats going to work like what 10% of the time?
I expect your response and obviously I am a monster and not just here to ruin your life. (Sarcasm people)
You can assume what makes you feel best and I would argue you have no choice but to do so. Protect the self mate. Its completely off subject and a huge deflection from the fact that there are no magic translation devices or gold plates available for inspection and joe smith died in prison being lynched and died shooting back.
Ask me again what my biggest reason for not joining this faith is and than berate me and call me a troll for responding honestly. I would invite you to review my original response and the lack of reply and the chosen reply.
Asking me to consider mormonism before rejecting it while also claiming to be a life long mormon and not say a follower of allah is a bit of a non-arugment yes?
Katzpur can say she made no claim mormonism is true but has lived her life as a mormon and presumably went out into this big world to convert others while simultaneously claiming she has made no claim that mormonism is true....
Listen its just how l live my life and what I believe and to be honest I have tried to convince others that its true but I make no such claim that it is true... its a bit dodgy if you ask me.
Make up your mind. You profess to be a LDS and challenge me to understand LDS before I reject it but have you done the same yourself? Have you considered everything you reject... Obviously no so don't make stupid arguments and try to understand my argument as the sarcasm it was intended to be.
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McBell
Unbound
So you freely admit that your "point is nothing more than a strawman?
Thank you.
Eye open what?
That so far you have been completely off topic attacking a strawman?
The eye opener here is that you have either not read the thread, or your reading comprehensions totally sucks, or you are merely trolling.
none of which looks good for you.
Off topic rant.
I would ask that you stop making a complete **** of yourself, actually read the thread for comprehension and try again.
Or are you content with merely trolling your strawmen?
strawman.
you seem to like filling in the huge gaps of your knowledge with whatever assumptions you think best help your "position".
And it is all about you, right?
Where was this claim made?
I recall it being said that before you start talking **** about a religion you should make sure that the **** you talk is something the religion actually teaches/believes.
Like I said, you should try re-reading the thread for comprehension.
Your "argument" is nothing more than an irrelevant rant.
It is not my fault that you went looking for an emotional reaction and got one.
But hey, feel free to continue making an **** of yourself beating up on your strawman.
Nerthus
Wanderlust
I've spoken to so many missionaries, and most of them have been very rude, which makes me change my mind about looking into the church further.
One of my friends from university has joined them, and since this time she never talks to anyone outside of the church.
I'm not saying that everyone in the church is like this, but in my experience this is mostly what I have come across, and is my main reason for not wanting to join or look more deeply into it.
One of my friends from university has joined them, and since this time she never talks to anyone outside of the church.
I'm not saying that everyone in the church is like this, but in my experience this is mostly what I have come across, and is my main reason for not wanting to join or look more deeply into it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Because people like to know where they came from. And because the Mormon church is so heavily involved with genealogy that Ancestry.com, first known as a company called Infobases, offered LDS-based publications, and as the company grew and developed at least one of the genealogy companies it purchased was a Mormon publication. The LSD church has done alot of work in that area, and has a good track record of acquiring and retaining documents. And eventually people probably will not remember the controversies such as Baptizing Jewish victims of the WWII German Holocaust, but what will be around to be remembered will be an extensive collection of geneological documents. And because they aren't a company that will eventually fold, their database is more likely to survive intact for much longer.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
That's absolute nonsense. I have asked you to actually quote me instead of just asserting that I've said things I never said. You haven't done so. I can't very well defend something I never even asserted; hence, there's no point in debate.
That was my point right? No one can possibly know and understand every other religion but some people can ignore that and just assume their religion is true and baptize the dead and fly all over the world and teach their religion as fact and obviously they can't prove that. They are just missionaries serving a broader purpose they most likely don't even really get and why would I ever blame them?
I would try to eye open perhaps but thats going to work like what 10% of the time?
I expect your response and obviously I am a monster and not just here to ruin your life. (Sarcasm people)
You can assume what makes you feel best and I would argue you have no choice but to do so. Protect the self mate. Its completely off subject and a huge deflection from the fact that there are no magic translation devices or gold plates available for inspection and joe smith died in prison being lynched and died shooting back.
Ask me again what my biggest reason for not joining this faith is and than berate me and call me a troll for responding honestly. I would invite you to review my original response and the lack of reply and the chosen reply.
Asking me to consider mormonism before rejecting it while also claiming to be a life long mormon and not say a follower of allah is a bit of a non-arugment yes?
Katzpur can say she made no claim mormonism is true but has lived her life as a mormon and presumably went out into this big world to convert others while simultaneously claiming she has made no claim that mormonism is true....
Listen its just how l live my life and what I believe and to be honest I have tried to convince others that its true but I make no such claim that it is true... its a bit dodgy if you ask me.
Make up your mind. You profess to be a LDS and challenge me to understand LDS before I reject it but have you done the same yourself? Have you considered everything you reject... Obviously no so don't make stupid arguments and try to understand my argument as the sarcasm it was intended to be.[/quote]
InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect
Member
You really don't see this? Any missionary is embracing a strawman compared to every other religion so why embrace a religion? Why are you thanking me? Have you not understood this argument?
What are you talking about? What religion am I? What are my beliefs? People are traveling the world and preaching their religion and baptizing the dead because of their religion and you know what about my beliefs?
Did I knock on your door? Did I baptize your dead relatives? And it came to pass that Mestemia did see the holes in his logic and felt bad about the way he treated his fellow brothers and it came to pass that he refused to repent and it came to pass that he continued to needle and attack InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect while always missing the general idea of just being polite that perhaps there are people with points of view he might disagree with but maybe he should consider anyways. And it came to pass that it never happened and it came to pass that he ignored InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect and moved on. And everyone won.
InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect wanted to challenge and incite new ideas and Mestemia wanted to degrade and make him feel like crap for doing so and attack assumptions rather than communicate and it all worked out. I mean it all came to pass.
And it came to pass that it came to pass.
waitasec
Veteran Member
apparently ones own reason for not joining the LDS is not good enough for others...
so what's the big deal...?
maybe everyone should join it and see for themselves...but then those who are not totally convinced before they join would be called fakes...but yet not being sure is not a good enough reason to not join
go figure.
so what's the big deal...?
maybe everyone should join it and see for themselves...but then those who are not totally convinced before they join would be called fakes...but yet not being sure is not a good enough reason to not join
go figure.
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McBell
Unbound
except he did not stop with merely presenting his reason for not joining.
He went on to purposely misrepresent what actually said in this very thread.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i wasn't referring to him specifically...just the general attitude as to why ones own personal reasons are questioned...i started reading from the beginning and it wasn't until katzpur came in on post #28
in response to
that was their reason.
now of course we can challenge that reason...but when this is the challange that is presented
the door is wide open for new challenges because of the word "only"... why then are jews not mormons?
so as you see the religious merry go round will continue because
ones personal reason for not accepting someone else's "truth" is ultimately the wrong reason, whatever that means.
