What would falsify the theory of evolution?

[syo]

So you believe every decrease in entropy in the history of the universe was intelligently designed?

Also, without entropy, intelligent design would lost it's measure of freedom.

 

[Jose Fly]

Yes, if I understood correctly.

Since molecules are in a lower state of entropy than random bunches of elements, if what you say is true, then the "designer" has to personally assemble every molecule in the universe.

Doesn't seem very "intelligent" to me.

 

[Yerda]

You know what entropy is and you still believe in evolution?

Are you saying the scientific community hasn't heard of entropy?

 

[syo]

Since molecules are in a lower state of entropy than random bunches of elements, if what you say is true, then the "designer" has to personally assemble every molecule in the universe.

Doesn't seem very "intelligent" to me.

That's the point. Every single particle in the universe is intelligent. And they all follow natural laws. Mother nature, we can't escape her. We are slaves of our nature. I can't order my atoms to become a table with the snap of my fingers. My atoms are human for now and it's the best I can do for now.

 

[Jose Fly]

That's the point. Every single particle in the universe is intelligent. And they all follow natural laws. Mother nature, we can't escape her. We are slaves of our nature. I can't order my atoms to become a table with the snap of my fingers. My atoms are human for now and it's the best I can do for now.

I see. Thanks for your input.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Honey, all you say is gibberish. I repeat ''evolution is false because of entropy". Prove me wrong.

It is your obligation to demonstrate that your claim is correct. We have no obligation to prove anything. If you cannot support the claim, then we can just ignore it.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That's the point. Every single particle in the universe is intelligent. And they all follow natural laws. Mother nature, we can't escape her. We are slaves of our nature. I can't order my atoms to become a table with the snap of my fingers. My atoms are human for now and it's the best I can do for now.

Never mind then. Thanks for your input.

 

[syo]

Are you saying the scientific community hasn't heard of entropy?

I don't know what to think about academics. They baffle me.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I see. Thanks for your input.

I did not read your post first before giving my response. Honestly. Great minds I guess.

 

[Yerda]

I don't know what to think about academics. They baffle me.

They are an odd bunch but they definitely know about entropy. Some of them even write papers on the subject.

 

[Subduction Zone]

from wikipedia

''Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.''
''Entropy is a scientific concept, as well as a measurable physical property, that is most commonly associated with a state of disorder, randomness, or uncertainty.''
These two combined lead unavoidably in intelligent design.

What else? I support intelligent design and evolution is like the misleading tip of the iceberg. There is more to evolution. Evolution needs time to show what has always been there before it appears (intelligent design). When fish got their eyes, these eyes weren't invented at the specific time, they were appeared at that time, but they always will exist (intelligent design).

Now, entropy needs intelligent design. By definition. And it leads to a very big chain of ''evolutions'' which again I think ''evolutions'' are the tip of the iceberg.

A quote of an oversimplified description of entropy? Is that all that you have?

I think that we will call that the weakest swing and a miss ever.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, if I understood correctly.

You did not understand correctly. There was nothing about an intelligent designer in that flawed simplification.

 

[syo]

You did not understand correctly. There was nothing about an intelligent designer in that flawed simplification.

Entropy WITHOUT intelligent design???

 

[Subduction Zone]

Entropy WITHOUT intelligent design???

Yes. There was nothing there about intelligent design. What makes you think that there was? You have no clue as to what you read.

Here is another simplified explanation:

In any reaction that takes place the energy available for work goes down,

Do you see any intelligent design there?

 

[syo]

Yes. There was nothing there about intelligent design. What makes you think that there was? You have no clue as to what you read.

Here is another simplified explanation:

In any reaction that takes place the energy available for work goes down,

Do you see any intelligent design there?

Yes. It does have a logic, no?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes. It does have a logic, no?

No. That is totally void of logic.

 

[syo]

No. That is totally void of logic.

ok.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ok.

All that you have is a misunderstanding of entropy. Do you seriously think that scientists are ignorant about the laws of thermodynamics? Think about it first.

 

[gnostic]

A quick question about humanism as you understand it?

What is the humanist position on the basic character of humans?

According to Christianity, we are totally lost in sin, unable to help ourselves and need God to make us "good". According to Buddhism, we are basically good, but confused about the nature of the world. We can "save" ourselves. albeit with much effort.

Where does humanism fall in this? Are we all basically good? Are some irretrievably bad? I use "good" and "bad' loosely of course.

The problem with religions are their reliance on something “supernatural”, like deities, or magic or miracles, or some sorts of afterlife like resurrection or reincarnation or the netherworld, etc.

I'd call such beliefs, superstition.

How is “God did it”, any better than the “Devil made me do it” or the “fairy did it”? Or good luck & bad luck? Or do you or don’t do because of your horoscope or how the planets align?

More superstitions.

I don’t think superstitions help anyone.

Humanism is about helping people without the excessive and superfluous baggage that come with superstitions of religions or the supernatural.

If anything, superstitions have done a lot of harm than good, especially how people treat others.

Examples, human sacrifices, killing of witches and heretics. When the plagues or pestilence occurred (eg the 14th century Black Death), guess who were Christians’ favorite scapegoats? Jews and alleged witches.

Human sacrifices would only occur in religious cultures that believe that angry spirits or angry gods can be appeased by ritually killing other humans.

 

[YoursTrue]

A quote of an oversimplified description of entropy? Is that all that you have?

I think that we will call that the weakest swing and a miss ever.

Let me say something about entropy. When a seed is planted in the ground and a plant comes from it, the seed is gone, right? And it is usually smaller than the plant that grows from it. The seed that was planted, however, is no more.