What would happen if all religions were right?

[Wannabe Yogi]

Or it means that it really does mean its literal meaning, but that all these religions are making mutually exclusive claims.

Not all make that claim. I think my above posts answered your questions on this subject.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not all make that claim.

But you only need two that do for it to be impossible for all religions to be true.

I think my above posts answered your questions on this subject.

Not really. It seems like you invoked a mystical take on the religions to reconcile them, but in some cases, that mystical take is rejected by the religion itself. You have to twist and re-shape the religion if you want to reconcile it with the others to the point that it can't be reconciled with what it originally was.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

But you only need two that do for it to be impossible for all religions to be true.


Not really. It seems like you invoked a mystical take on the religions to reconcile them, but in some cases, that mystical take is rejected by the religion itself.

Every religion has a mystical sect.

Islam=Sufi
Christians=Quakers,Catholic and Orthodox Mystics.
The Hindu and Buddhist has the Esoteric side open for all to see.

There is no reconciling the exoteric and Fundie sides of any faith.

 

[Riverwolf]

Hardly.

Zeus was a lusty fellow.

Jehovah not so much.

Exactly what I mean by form. The form of Zeus is lusty, but the form of YHWH isn't.

Heck, even two gods who have the same powers, Zeus and Indra (and both are kings of their respective pantheons), are different in form, for while Zeus is basically a child, Indra is a (most of the time) wise warlord, though he often gets arrogant.

There's a story in Hinduism of a Sage from ancient times, who spent his entire life traveling all the lands (available to him, of course), chronicling every god he comes across. At the end of his travels (he was in his 90s, says the tradition), he documented over 300 million gods. When he finished tallying up the scores, he came up with a final number: One.

"The Wise refer to what is One with many names." (Rig Veda 1.164:46)

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Every religion has a mystical sect.

... that is rejected by the mainstream sects.

Islam=Sufi
Christians=Quakers,Catholic and Orthodox Mystics.
The Hindu and Buddhist has the Esoteric side open for all to see.

There is no reconciling the exoteric and Fundie sides of any faith.

But that makes them no less believed by many people... which is the point I'm trying to make. If you ignore the irreconcilable aspects of a religion, then you ignore a large part of the reality of that religion.

 

[Willamena]

... that is rejected by the mainstream sects.

Evidence? The Pope is a mystic.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Evidence? The Pope is a mystic.

And there's no shortage of Christians who declare all Catholics to be "not Christian".

Most mainstream Christian churches would probably declare quite a bit of the spectrum of Quaker belief "non-Christian" as well.

 

[Riverwolf]

I think mysticism is about delving into the absolute depths of an established religion, in order to find its core essence (and therefore, hopefully, God.) Since most people are not up to that task (for whatever reason), it is natural that most religious people would not follow a mystical path, at least not properly. (By "properly," I mean based on legitimate study and not pop literature.)

 

[AxisMundi]

Well in terms of the roles they fill, not physically. Both are sort of "leaders" and "guide" us.

Jehovah is thought of as a demiurge. Zeus is the child of Kronos and Hera.

Zeus fathered many of the heroes of Greek antiquity, and not a few deities. Jehovah is rather gender neutral.

Jehovah has his own authority within the Abrahamic religion do to his position as a claimed demiurge. Zeus beat the crap out of his dad, forced Kronos to cough up (literally) Zeus' sibling and the "Omphalos", and basically took the throne of the Greek Gods. However, the Neoplatonism crafted by Plotinus in the third century CE claimed Zeus a Demiurge, though this was not widely accepted in Greece even it it is said to have influenced Christian thinkers.

Jehovah is said to have inspired the Abrahamic scriptures for the three Abrahamic religions. To the best of my knowledge, there were no Grecian scriptures said to be inspired by Zeus.

So we can see that Zeus simply isn't comparable to Jehovah.

 

[Riverwolf]

Jehovah is thought of as a demiurge. Zeus is the child of Kronos and Hera.

Rhea was Zeus's mother, not Hera. Hera is his sister/wife.

Zeus fathered many of the heroes of Greek antiquity, and not a few deities. Jehovah is rather gender neutral.

Jehovah has his own authority within the Abrahamic religion do to his position as a claimed demiurge. Zeus beat the crap out of his dad, forced Kronos to cough up (literally) Zeus' sibling and the "Omphalos", and basically took the throne of the Greek Gods. However, the Neoplatonism crafted by Plotinus in the third century CE claimed Zeus a Demiurge, though this was not widely accepted in Greece even it it is said to have influenced Christian thinkers.

Jehovah is said to have inspired the Abrahamic scriptures for the three Abrahamic religions. To the best of my knowledge, there were no Grecian scriptures said to be inspired by Zeus.

So we can see that Zeus simply isn't comparable to Jehovah.

Again, it's difference in form, not essence.

 

[AxisMundi]

Rhea was Zeus's mother, not Hera. Hera is his sister/wife.

You correct, thanks for reminding me. I was going to list some of their kids, but changed me mind and forgot to mentally switch over.

Again, it's difference in form, not essence.

Hardly. the short list I supplied I think more than justifies my statements.

 

[Riverwolf]

Hardly. the short list I supplied I think more than justifies my statements.

Take away all the stories and personality, what is Zeus?

King of the Gods. What are the Gods in the Greek pantheon?

Powers of nature.

Therefore, Zeus is the grandest of all the powers of nature: Lightning and Thunder. The Aryans also saw the grandeur of that power, and fashioned Indra. So, at the core, Zeus and Indra are the same, even though as characters they are different.

 

[AxisMundi]

Take away all the stories and personality, what is Zeus?

King of the Gods. What are the Gods in the Greek pantheon?

Powers of nature.

Therefore, Zeus is the grandest of all the powers of nature: Lightning and Thunder. The Aryans also saw the grandeur of that power, and fashioned Indra. So, at the core, Zeus and Indra are the same, even though as characters they are different.

The same "thing" perhaps, as King Richard and King Ferdinand were the same "thing", ie kings, but they are not the same deity merely named diferently.

 

[blueman]

Truth would then be relative, which we know is a false premise.

 

[blueman]

"Truth would then be relative, which we know is a false premise."

Correct

Here is the truth:

John
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Now there's a central truth you can bank on!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

"Now there's a central truth you can bank on!"

No question about this blueman .... Jesus Christ is the living Son of God .... the only being in existence who is both God and human

He's not the only one. Can't forget Hercules.

 

[Fatihah]

Just for fun...


I think the universe would implode.

Response: Then it would be a case of redifining the definition of "right". For there are many religions which would contradict each other if they all are considered right. Under the actual definition of "right", there can be no contradiction, because a contradiction is a discrepancy. And how can you be right and be a discrepancy at the same time?

So if all religions are right, then under such circumstances, the only thing that would occur is that the word "right" would require a new definition that differs from what it is today.

 

[AxisMundi]

"Now there's a central truth you can bank on!"

No question about this blueman .... Jesus Christ is the living Son of God .... the only being in existence who is both God and human

If you're going to theospam us with bible quotes as if scriptures were infallible, you would first have to prove your scriptures are reliable as self-supporting evidence.

Keep a few things in mind.

Providing even more bible spam won't work. That's like fetching the town liar to prove your story.

You have a hard task in front of you considering the bibles are full of self-contradictions, historical inaccuracies, and each and every myth easily disproved.

 

[Azakel]

Buddhists don't believe in deities.

This isn't really true. Buddhism doesn't really say one way or the other about the gods, well even then one might find something about them, but even they are no different then us.
Whether a Buddhist believes in a Deity or not has nothing to do with what Buddhism teaches.

 

[AxisMundi]

This isn't really true. Buddhism doesn't really say one way or the other about the gods, well even then one might find something about them, but even they are no different then us.
Whether a Buddhist believes in a Deity or not has nothing to do with what Buddhism teaches.

Please reread what I wrote.

The basic tenets of Buddhism are compeltely secular in nature and do not promote, nor disuade, deity or the worship of deity.