What would happen if all religions were right?

[Circle_One]

Fair enough, I suppose, but that doesn't mean they're all true.

IMO, if we're talking about actual factual claims, then we can deduce some things about them... for instance, the claim that the Egyptian gods literally exist and the claim that Jehova is the one and only God are mutually exclusive. While we may not have the information to tell which (if either) is true, we still can recognize that they both can't simultaneously be true.


But that's not all that religions say. While your religion says that you'll be judged by Ma'at, someone else's religion will say that you'll be consigned to Hell, someone else's will say that you'll be sent to the Terrestrial Kingdom of Heaven, and another's will say that you will be reincarnated without any judgement at all.

If your religion is right, even just "right for you", then many other religions are wrong, because they do make factual claims about you.

Absolutely true, however, (and I may be completely mistaken with this), but don't a lot of religions that claim unbelievers will go to hell, also say that hell, to them, is the absence of God? In that sense, my going to MY eternity would still be considered hell to them, because it would still be the absence of their God... no?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Absolutely true, however, (and I may be completely mistaken with this), but don't a lot of religions that claim unbelievers will go to hell, also say that hell, to them, is the absence of God? In that sense, my going to MY eternity would still be considered hell to them, because it would still be the absence of their God... no?

Maybe some of them, but there are still a fair number of people who believe in the old school literal "lake of fire" hell, complete with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. And even the ones who believe that hell is "eternal separation from God" generally reject the idea that there are any other gods out there.

 

[Circle_One]

Maybe some of them, but there are still a fair number of people who believe in the old school literal "lake of fire" hell, complete with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. And even the ones who believe that hell is "eternal separation from God" generally reject the idea that there are any other gods out there.

Oh, I don't doubt that. The chastizing I get for my beliefs can attest to that on almost a daily basis

I was just stating my personal opinion regarding this. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, just as I don't expect everyone to believe in my Gods

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh, I don't doubt that. The chastizing I get for my beliefs can attest to that on almost a daily basis

I don't find that surprising.

I was just stating my personal opinion regarding this. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, just as I don't expect everyone to believe in my Gods

Okay... I just wondered about the reasoning that was going into it. I can somewhat understand the argument that all religions are equally valid, but I've got an issue with the idea that conflicting factual claims can be simultaneously true.

 

[Circle_One]

I don't find that surprising.


Okay... I just wondered about the reasoning that was going into it. I can somewhat understand the argument that all religions are equally valid, but I've got an issue with the idea that conflicting factual claims can be simultaneously true.

I'm gonna take a bath, but I shall be back to continue this in about half hour .9!

 

[AxisMundi]

.....If your religion is right, even just "right for you", then many other religions are wrong, because they do make factual claims about you.

There are some belief systems that state that all the deities exist, all created by man through the concentrated willpower of many people over a period of time.

While the biblethumper who accosted me at the bus stop last Friday, trying to hand out "anti-satanic" pamplets, tried to tell me I was going to his religion's hell when I told him who he really worshipped, he is incorrect as I do not follow his god nor worship in his religion.

(Funny side note, I told him he worship his religion's Satan. When he got boggle eyed and red in the face, I pointed to his home printed pamphlet and noted who was on the front )

There simply is no connection, no conduit of influence, no stream of potential energies between Jehovah and I for that deity to give me a toss down the trash chute.

Now if said bible-thumper was bothering his daughter, for example, then yes, in our belief system, he had better invest heavily in pitchfork-point sized band-aids and burn cream.

 

[BruceDLimber]

However, those 7 million people might be dead wrong.

Whereas YOU are using Argument from Ignorance??!

"Might be" does NOT equate to "IS."

And IME all indications are that they are precisely correct.

So an attitude exhibiting less prejudice ("pre-judging") would seem to serve you far better!

And you quietly ignore the fact that ALL religions start out small and grow over time! A few years ago we were only three million, so seven million now is already notable.

Even you are surely aware that becoming a majority takes far, far longer than we've had to date.

BTW, given your tag, I might mention that e pluribus unum is what we're endeavoring to accomplish! Glad we agree.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

I have a funny feeling that even if all religions were right, then people would still find differences.

Precisely why one of our slogans is "Unity in Diversity!"

Bruce

 

[AxisMundi]

Whereas YOU are using Argument from Ignorance??!

"Might be" does NOT equate to "IS."

And IME all indications are that they are precisely correct.

So an attitude exhibiting less prejudice ("pre-judging") would seem to serve you far better!

And you quietly ignore the fact that ALL religions start out small and grow over time! A few years ago we were only three million, so seven million now is already notable.

Even you are surely aware that becoming a majority takes far, far longer than we've had to date.

BTW, given your tag, I might mention that e pluribus unum is what we're endeavoring to accomplish! Glad we agree.

Peace,

Bruce

You're the one claiming claiming those 7 million people ARE right, and, apparently, that a majority is correct as well. Thanks for showing the class an argumentum ad numerum fallacy.

And please, feel free to illustrate these "all indications" that prove your religion is correct.

BTW, E Pluribus Unum was this Nation's original Motto, crafted and set in place by the men who crafted this country. It stood for 174 years before nearly being obliterated from history by men who definitely weren't interested in making anything "From Many, One" in alienating every Atheist and non-Abrahamic Theist in the country and relegating us to a second class citizen in the American Mentality.

The Christian prayer that is now our Motto effectively states that we are not "true Americans" because we do not place our trust in the god of Abraham.

Off topic I know, but something I am quite passionate about.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

You're the one claiming claiming those 7 million people ARE right, and, apparently, that a majority is correct as well.

No, I said they're right IN MY EXPERIENCE! Slight difference.

Nor did I ever say (or imply) that a majority is correct: apples and oranges!

I merely pointed out--in response to your comment that we're still a minority--that attaining majority status can take a considerable time whereas we've only had 166 years during which we've already grown considerably (especailly in the most recent decades).

[W]e do not place our trust in the god of Abraham.

Maybe YOU dont.

We do!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[AxisMundi]

No, I said they're right IN MY EXPERIENCE! Slight difference.

Nor did I ever say (or imply) that a majority is correct: apples and oranges!

I merely pointed out--in response to your comment that we're still a minority--that attaining majority status can take a considerable time whereas we've only had 166 years during which we've already grown considerably (especailly in the most recent decades).

Read what you wrote.

Maybe YOU dont.

We do!

Peace,

Bruce

Perfectly indicative of why religion and government must be kept seperate, otherwise people of other religions, or none, are discrimianted against.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

why religion and government must be kept seperate, otherwise people of other religions, or none, are discrimianted against.

This one I must agree. Its best for both the religious and secular a like when Government stays a way from religion.

 

[AxisMundi]

This one I must agree. Its best for both the religious and secular a like when Government stays a way from religion.

And the opposite as well.

One simply cannot ahve a freedom of religion without a freedom FROM religion.

 

[footprints]

Perfectly indicative of why religion and government must be kept seperate, otherwise people of other religions, or none, are discrimianted against.

What a preposterous and ignorant notion. People of religions have just as much right to voice their opinion on laws and moral values in their own country, as any other citizen does. Trying to relegate these people to second class citizens reeks of dictatorship and standover tactics.

All people, all groups, in any democratic country around the world have a right to voice their opinion, whether you agree or disagree with it.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

And the opposite as well.

One simply cannot ahve a freedom of religion without a freedom FROM religion.

I agree

 

[Yerda]

Just for fun...


I think the universe would implode.

I think it would have to be something like establishing that they were translations of one another. They don't all make similar claims, but I suppose that's another matter.