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What would happen if the US stopped supplying Israel?

Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
We Never Know said:
What would happen if the US stopped supplying Ukraine?

Would both places, Ukraine and Israel suffer the same outcome?
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I suppose it's a question of how indispensable U.S. military aid is, in either situation. I suppose one could do a search to find a list of countries sending aid to Ukraine and Israel, look at the numbers and estimate the impact the removal of U.S. aid might have. I think Ukraine gets aid from numerous other countries, so the loss of U.S. aid may not have as steep an impact as it might have in Israel.

There may also be a political impact and fallout if the U.S. reverses policy and decides to not send supplies to either country. If we stop supplying Ukraine, then other countries in our alliance could see that as dishonorable, although that might also cause them to increase their own supply of aid to compensate for the loss of U.S. aid.

The other side of the question is what the other side might do. Could Putin be persuaded to stop the invasion of Ukraine in exchange for an agreement to end U.S. military aid? Could Hamas be persuaded to stop attacking Israel in exchange for an agreement to end U.S. military aid? Could either of them be expected to honorably fulfill such an agreement?
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
USA's mass shootings pale in comparison to
Israel's slaughter of Palestinians in "self defense".

Think not in terms of perfection or absolutes,
eg, end gun violence by confiscating all civilian
arms, beat Hamas by exterminating them all.
Instead think of minimizing death & destruction.
It won't go away, but there is a path to making
it as little as possible.
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Civilian guns would not have stopped Hamas, only made Israel more like the US and there were lots of Israeli guns in competent hands already.
Do IDF soldiers take their weapons home?

They do indeed. If you are a combat soldier in the IDF and you are issued a weapon, that weapon (and one full magazine) stays on you at all times, day and night.Sep 13, 2021
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You keep it with you unless it is locked up safe at home which is why you see people walking around with M-4 s all the time in Israel
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Pogo said:
Civilian guns would not have stopped Hamas, only made Israel more like the US and there were lots of Israeli guns in competent hands already.
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That is your opinion.
Mine is that Hamas's attack would've still happened,
but met with civilian armed resistance. I consider that
a better result.
Pogo said:
You keep it with you unless it is locked up safe at home which is why you see people walking around with M-4 s all the time in Israel
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Israel's government apparently agrees with me, not you.

Let this serve as an example to those Zionists who
gnash their teeth at me for being anti-Israel.
I've been proposing this often, but they never
seem to notice that I'm pro Israel's living in
peace, just as I am for Palestinians enjoying
the same.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
That is your opinion.
Mine is that Hamas's attack would've still happened,
but met with civilian armed resistance. I consider that
a better result.

Israel's government apparently agrees with me, not you.

Let this serve as an example to those Zionists who
gnash their teeth at me for being anti-Israel.
I've been proposing this often, but they never
seem to notice that I'm pro Israel's living in
peace, just as I am for Palestinians enjoying
the same.
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And Israels government is not behaving terribly rationally now, civilian guns do not reduce gun violence or protect significantly.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Pogo said:
And Israels government is not behaving terribly rationally now, civilian guns do not reduce gun violence or protect significantly.
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Actually, they are, and normally I'm strongly for more gun control. Ever since both Intifadas, it's been felt that Israelis should carry guns, not only for their own protection but for others as well.

In 1991, I was at an intersection in Jerusalem, and I saw 7 men and women with a gun just by turning around, and these were the ones I could see. When I went to a service on Shabbat, the young lady [IDF] sitting right in front of me had her rifle right below her seat.

BTW, about 1000 in the IDF are Palestinians, and they are not subject to the draft.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
metis said:
Actually, they are, and normally I'm strongly for more gun control. Ever since both Intifadas, it's been felt that Israelis should carry guns, not only for their own protection but for others as well.

In 1991, I was at an intersection in Jerusalem, and I saw 7 men and women with a gun just by turning around, and these were the ones I could see. When I went to a service on Shabbat, the young lady [IDF] sitting right in front of me had her rifle right below her seat.

BTW, about 1000 in the IDF are Palestinians, and they are not subject to the draft.
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Were they random civilians or IDF?
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
metis said:
I would assume IDF because it's really hard to get an open-carry permit in Israel.
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Yup, that was my point, Israel has lots of guns in the public space even fully automatic and that didn't stop Hamas, allowing the average civilian a pistol is only going to generate a US style problem.
Bibi's idea to reduce regulation for civilians is a bad knee jerk reaction from an authoritarian to the current problem and only for propaganda purposes.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Pogo said:
Yup, that was my point, Israel has lots of guns in the public space even fully automatic and that didn't stop Hamas, allowing the average civilian a pistol is only going to generate a US style problem.
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You're arguing that it's better for only government
to have guns, & for civilians to be defenseless.
How well did that work out, when those automatic
weapons you mentioned played no role.
Pogo said:
Bibi's idea to reduce regulation for civilians is a bad knee jerk reaction from an authoritarian to the current problem and only for propaganda purposes.
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It's better than your knee jerk
reaction against armed civilians.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
You're arguing that it's better for only government
to have guns, & for civilians to be defenseless.
How well did that work out, when those automatic
weapons you mentioned played no role.

It's better than your knee jerk
reaction against armed civilians.
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I am not arguing that it is better, but numerous persons armed even with military weapons as you stated played no role.
more small arms in untrained hands is not likely to change this, but as we see here in the US, creates a dangerous environment and people are not careful enough with them so that anybody will be able to aquire one through theft of one from an auto glovebox or home etc.
I am saying that civilians armed a la the US is pointless and only results in problems such as we have.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Pogo said:
I am not arguing that it is better, but numerous persons armed even with military weapons as you stated played no role.
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Because the civilians attacked had no means of self defense.
It's like cops saying they're to "protect & serve".
They don't protect. When assaults happen, they're
somewhere else.
Pogo said:
more small arms in untrained hands is not likely to change this, but as we see here in the US, creates a dangerous environment and people are not careful enough with them so that anybody will be able to aquire one through theft of one from an auto glovebox or home etc.
I am saying that civilians armed a la the US is pointless and only results in problems such as we have.
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We will agree to disagree.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
Revoltingest said:
To stop the supply of all bombs makes sense.

In the news is something promising.
(Not holding my breath.)
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Biden says he will stop sending bombs and artillery shells to Israel if it launches major invasion of Rafah​

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You mean the military aid that was Congressionally approved?
Trump was impeached over the same thing. Looks like Biden believes in what Trump did after all.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You know why I don't have an infrared system at home? Because the US military will always have a better one so I may as well save my money.

There's something wrong with not being able to hide by the way.
 
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