Whats the deal with obummer?

[Zephyr]

Yes, because everybody should be expected to work more than 80 hours a week. Not, you know, focusing on education or anything (and just try and get a job without a degree or experience these days).

And that doesn't factor in the fact that around here most jobs will offer no more than 39 hours a week. Don't want to have to give your workers benefits or anything.

But no, it's all lazy poor young people, as usual.

 

[YamiB.]

Let's be nice and have a civil discussion YamiB :yes:

Yes, there is a trend moving away from "the American dream". Things in America are changing. mball said it best, "they work 80 hours a week and have a dozen people in the house". To that I say, only 80 hours? When you are young, you should work your butt off. Not because of your wage, but because of what those wages can bring. It is seed money. I've said this a million times, it's not what you make, it's what you save!

It's called delayed satisfaction. Work hard, save and invest, kick back and enjoy later. You know, pay to play?

Many younger folks don't want to give their pound of flesh.

This is why less people are making it now and the trends are changing.

Change we can believe in?

Is it civil to link to information without even reading it like you have obviously done in this thread? Is it civil to repeatedly ignore refutations that prove you are plainly wrong on your statements.

The rest of your post is pointless blather that does not mesh with the reality as has been shown in this very thread.

 

[Magic Man]

Let's be nice and have a civil discussion YamiB :yes:

To do that, you actually have to listen to us. As soon as you're ready to do that, we'll have as civil a conversation as you've ever had.

Yes, there is a trend moving away from "the American dream". Things in America are changing. mball said it best, "they work 80 hours a week and have a dozen people in the house". To that I say, only 80 hours? When you are young, you should work your butt off. Not because of your wage, but because of what those wages can bring. It is seed money. I've said this a million times, it's not what you make, it's what you save!

Ah, so all of a sudden, "the American dream" is not what it used to be? That's changed in the past hour or so since you claimed that it was alive and well?

80 hours a week is way too much for anyone to have to work. To do that in 5 days requires 16 hour days not including commute. Including commute, that would mean getting up at 4:00 AM, going to work and getting home around 9:30 PM. Eat dinner, go to bed, get 5 hours of sleep and repeat. No, thanks. No one should have to do that at any point in their life.

If it's over 7 days, that still means about 11.5 hours a day. That still means you get up at 5:00 AM, go to work, get home around 6:00 PM, eat dinner, hang out for two hours and get 8 hours sleep. That's every day without fail. That's also more than anyone should have to do.

It's called delayed satisfaction. Work hard, save and invest, kick back and enjoy later. You know, pay to play?

Many younger folks don't want to give their pound of flesh.

This is why less people are making it now and the trends are changing.

Change we can believe in?

Or maybe working that hard doesn't necessarily mean enough money to "invest, kick back and enjoy later". Maybe you can work that hard, and still only make enough to live modestly and continue working for the next 50 years.

 

[Reverend Rick]

To do that, you actually have to listen to us. As soon as you're ready to do that, we'll have as civil a conversation as you've ever had.



Ah, so all of a sudden, "the American dream" is not what it used to be? That's changed in the past hour or so since you claimed that it was alive and well?

80 hours a week is way too much for anyone to have to work. To do that in 5 days requires 16 hour days not including commute. Including commute, that would mean getting up at 4:00 AM, going to work and getting home around 9:30 PM. Eat dinner, go to bed, get 5 hours of sleep and repeat. No, thanks. No one should have to do that at any point in their life.

If it's over 7 days, that still means about 11.5 hours a day. That still means you get up at 5:00 AM, go to work, get home around 6:00 PM, eat dinner, hang out for two hours and get 8 hours sleep. That's every day without fail. That's also more than anyone should have to do.



Or maybe working that hard doesn't necessarily mean enough money to "invest, kick back and enjoy later". Maybe you can work that hard, and still only make enough to live modestly and continue working for the next 50 years.

mball, what you spend to live modestly in Maryland would fund a retirement plan and put you up comfortably in Kentucky. I still get up before 5 a.m. every morning, make coffee and answer my work related e-mails. I spend about 4 hours driving between job sites and about 6 hours working in the field. I come home and work in my office on proposals and invoices. I get six hours of sleep each night and still spend quality time with my family. Some weeks I rack up close to 100 hours. My schedule changes a bit, I work less on my business and more on my farm during the summer. When I need a break, I go to the lake for a few days or like right now, I go deer hunting.


I would not have to go to the grocery till spring if I did not want to.

 

[Zephyr]

mball, what you spend to live modestly in Maryland would fund a retirement plan and put you up comfortably in Kentucky. I still get up before 5 a.m. every morning, make coffee and answer my work related e-mails. I spend about 4 hours driving between job sites and about 6 hours working in the field. I come home and work in my office on proposals and invoices. I get six hours of sleep each night and still spend quality time with my family. Some weeks I rack up close to 100 hours. My schedule changes a bit, I work less on my business and more on my farm during the summer. When I need a break, I go to the lake for a few days or like right now, I go deer hunting.


I would not have to go to the grocery till spring if I did not want to.

Sorry we can't all be Übermenschen like you, working 100 hours a week with only a few hours of sleep and a 500 calorie diet.

 

[Magic Man]

mball, what you spend to live modestly in Maryland would fund a retirement plan and put you up comfortably in Kentucky.

No, it wouldn't. But even if it did, so what? Great, I can move to Kentucky and not be near anyone I know except for my aunt and uncle. That sounds great.

I still get up before 5 a.m. every morning, make coffee and answer my work related e-mails. I spend about 4 hours driving between job sites and about 6 hours working in the field. I come home and work in my office on proposals and invoices. I get six hours of sleep each night and still spend quality time with my family. Some weeks I rack up close to 100 hours. My schedule changes a bit, I work less on my business and more on my farm during the summer. When I need a break, I go to the lake for a few days or like right now, I go deer hunting.

That's kind of impossible to do all of that. Unless you mean that some weeks you only rack up 50 or so hours. 100 hours in a week (let's say 6 days) would be 16.5 hours a day. Add in your 6 hours of sleep, and you have 22.5 hours. That leaves 1.5 hours a day for eating and "spending quality time with your family".

Besides, that's great and all, but some people don't have a business like yours. Some people aren't good at running businesses. It's not their fault, it's just the way humans are. Some run businesses well, others work for others better than they run their own business.

Also, working 60+ hours a week just isn't the best way to spend your life for most people. Most people enjoy spending time with friends and family, and doing a lot of things outside of work. Working that much doesn't allow for that. Doing it for a while to get to a point where you don't have to work that much anymore is one thing, but to do that for 10 or 20+ years just shouldn't happen.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I for one, tend to get really cranky when I'm in overtime before I clock out the fourth day of the work week, and still have one more day to go. Sure, the checks are great, and for a while I was making 600 dollars more a month than I have ever made, but working 55 hours a week, especially a hard, physical labor job, is not fun. Especially when the commute is just under an hour one way. Add only a few hours before work of free time, no time after because it's 5 in the morning and the fatigue is too much to do anything than shower and pass out, and two short weekend days that go by too quick because you are simply too tired to do anything, and life can get really dull really fast. Anymore hours than that, and I would probably just get a new job. Life is not about working, and I intend on living by that whenever possible.

Yes, there is a trend moving away from "the American dream". Things in America are changing. mball said it best, "they work 80 hours a week and have a dozen people in the house". To that I say, only 80 hours? When you are young, you should work your butt off. Not because of your wage, but because of what those wages can bring. It is seed money. I've said this a million times, it's not what you make, it's what you save!

You should try and save up anything when you in the position of a large percentage of people in America. I've tried to save, then had to pay for my tuition and books out of pocket because my dad makes too much and I still have to claim them on my FAFSA, even though I haven't lived with them for almost two years. The money can start to add up, then the furnace went out, a possum ran in front of my car and busted the radiator, my car's water pump went out, I need new tires, some floors in my house need replaced, as do a few windows, I need to buy some LP gas because even though I can make it last for a long time, it eventually runs out, health insurance is a large chunk of change each week, and gas is as well. So yeah, it also has alot to do with how much you make. If me and SS had a kid, I do not have the slightest idea of how we could afford it.
And this only 80 hours thing? Again, life is not about working and money. I complain about 55 a week, because of everything else I could be doing that I enjoy doing. But rather, the irreplacable time is being drained by a job that is nothing more than that.

 

[Humanistheart]

The simple fact that Oboma was not Bush, and his oposition McCain might as well have been, won him the election. I did not have a great love for Oboma when I voted, I simply was tired of having a war criminal for our president.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The simple fact that Oboma was not Bush, and his oposition McCain might as well have been, won him the election. I did not have a great love for Oboma when I voted, I simply was tired of having a war criminal for our president.

I agree....

There's no way I agree with him 100%.....but whatever my approval it far exceeds that of McCain......and I recognize he can only do what the rest of congress allows or agree he can do. The decisions of the President are never completely his decision....

 

[Zephyr]

You know, a small part of me really wanted McCain to win then die in office early into his first year. We could use a president like Palin, if only to scare us straight. A little meltdown here and there is a good thing if we can learn from it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

A little meltdown here and there is a good thing if we can learn from it.

Oh, Americans are learning real fast.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[PureX]

You know, a small part of me really wanted McCain to win then die in office early into his first year. We could use a president like Palin, if only to scare us straight. A little meltdown here and there is a good thing if we can learn from it.

If the Bush administration didn't scare us straight, nothing on Earth would.

 

[PureX]

Let's be nice and have a civil discussion YamiB :yes:

Yes, there is a trend moving away from "the American dream". Things in America are changing. mball said it best, "they work 80 hours a week and have a dozen people in the house". To that I say, only 80 hours? When you are young, you should work your butt off. Not because of your wage, but because of what those wages can bring. It is seed money. I've said this a million times, it's not what you make, it's what you save!

It's called delayed satisfaction. Work hard, save and invest, kick back and enjoy later. You know, pay to play?

Many younger folks don't want to give their pound of flesh.

This is why less people are making it now and the trends are changing.

Change we can believe in?

The problem with this game plan is that when lots of people start doing this, the prices adjust, and you get trapped in it. Instead of saving a lot, the cost of everything goes up because the sellers know that people have extra money. This is how women got pulled into the job market and why we need two incomes to raise a family now, when we used to do it on one.

No, this plan doesn't work. What we need is an economic system that places social well-being before individual greed. We do not have that, now, and we're paying a very dear price for it.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Oh, Americans are learning real fast.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

Yes...from the same people that brought you this nonsense...

69% of GOP Voters Say Palin Helped McCain - Rasmussen Reports™

"Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable."

"Seventy-one percent (71%) said McCain made the right choice by picking Palin as his running mate, while only 65% said the party picked the right nominee for president."

"Among Republicans, 66% of men and 61% of women say Palin is their choice for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Sixty-six percent (66%) of GOP women have a Very Favorable view of her, as do 64% of men."

Appeal to numbers much?

I mean really, the chick hasn't really done anything to deserve such a high percentage. What you have are the ones who did not want the current administration and no matter how ill-equipped Palin is these same people believe she's their gal in 2012 even though she's no longer the Gov. of Alaska, you know..up there by Russia,...I think she has enough to worry about at home....with her daughter's playboy posing baby daddy..

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is it all these so called "smart people" who know it all needs the governments assistance to even see a doctor?

We have raised a generation in America that is too lazy to work and has had everything handed to them. Now that they are adults, they want the government to be their mommy and daddy.

For many, it really isn't like that at all. We pay taxes to the government, we elect officials to enact policies that, in theory should, keep us safe, and help citizens out. I work, and can say with confidence, harder than most. My dad gets 25 bucks an hour to push buttons. I make only 10 doing physical labor. The sad thing is, most people who legitimately need just alittle extra help can't get it, because those who do not try to help themselves first suck up all the funds that are there who did help themselves.
As for the doctor, it's just too expensive without insurance, which is also expensive. I really can't afford what my company offers, but since I have carpal tunnel and bowed and twisted shins, I need the insurance to get better.
And to sum it up, I pay taxes. My taxes help run this nation. Why shouldn't I expect something in return that benefits me? I don't mind that it helps others, but at times I am the one that needs alittle help.

 

[Humanistheart]

You know, a small part of me really wanted McCain to win then die in office early into his first year. We could use a president like Palin, if only to scare us straight. A little meltdown here and there is a good thing if we can learn from it.

American's have become, well, dim. I daubt as a nation we'd learn anything. Even if we did what message would this send? Don't vote for old people because they might die? Or perhaps that women have no place in politics or positions of power?

 

[Humanistheart]

For many, it really isn't like that at all. We pay taxes to the government, we elect officials to enact policies that, in theory should, keep us safe, and help citizens out. I work, and can say with confidence, harder than most. My dad gets 25 bucks an hour to push buttons.

He gets 25 an hr to push buttons?? Where do I sign up?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

American's have become, well, dim. I daubt as a nation we'd learn anything. Even if we did what message would this send? Don't vote for old people because they might die? Or perhaps that women have no place in politics or positions of power?

Well that's not how I felt when I voted. I felt as though McCain was inept in his choice for a running mate. I felt as though he was out of touch with the people when it came to some of the questions/concerns regarding our economy and future....and I felt Palin was just inept..... (IMO)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He gets 25 an hr to push buttons?? Where do I sign up?

Chrysler. He's been there for quite awhile though and pretty high on the seniority list. Only needs 10 more years to retire. Unfortunately, the plant he works for was only given 5 more years unless things really turn around.