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Whats the point in life?

Cynic

Well-Known Member
orichalcum said:
Wow, this is an old one to bring back !
I do still feel like that sometimes, but I do get depressed quite a bit, I am trying my best to stay positive.
For anyone else who feels the same, just remember to keep on living, something always comes up in the end.
If your depression is persistent and beyond control, I would advise that you see a mental health specialist. If your depression is caused by a given situation in life then it is little of medical concern, but I would still advise taking stress management and cognitive therapy as this can be an effective treatment.

Activities that were found pleasurable and are no longer so, is called anhedonia. This is probably why you feel that life is pointless (because you lack interest), and that is known as a manifestation of stress and depression, along with things such as fatigue, anxiety, anger, and irritability.

This specific problem is that you are not finding enjoyment in life.

I believe that anhedonia is usually, not the actual problem but just a branch off the tree. The source for example, could be a person's social withdrawal due to an unfortunate string of events. This withdrawal could then lead to excessive feelings of loneliness, and depressive moods along with anhedonia. You cannot enjoy life when there is no one to enjoy life with.

In order to effectively treat the problem you need to find the cause, or the source creating it.
 

DreamQuickBook

Active Member
orichalcum said:
For anyone else who feels the same, just remember to keep on living, something always comes up in the end.

Yes. I think medical science calls that death. :)

The point to life? Living. Do as much of whatever it is you enjoy as often as possible.
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
orichalcum said:
I don't believe its worthy of medical attention, I just get a little down sometimes, actually most of the time. It must be in my nature. I'm sure i'll still be here for a good while, don't worry.
It could be neurological disease, it could be habitual and conditioned. If it is not medically significant, then your negative perception and thought processing can be unlearned, and your depressive moods effectively treated.

If it is causing you to have suicidal thoughts, if it is chronic and persistent, if it is altering the way you live your life, it deserves medical attention, even if it's not medically significant, there is still treatment for it.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Cynic said:
If your depression is persistent and beyond control, I would advise that you see a mental health specialist. If your depression is caused by a given situation in life then it is little of medical concern, but I would still advise taking stress management and cognitive therapy as this can be an effective treatment.

Activities that were found pleasurable are no longer so, which is called anhedonia. This is probably why you feel that life is pointless (because you lack interest), and that is known as a manifestation of stress and depression, along with things such as fatigue, anxiety, anger, and irritability.

This specific problem is that you are not finding enjoyment in life.

I believe that anhedonia is usually, not the actual problem but just a branch off the tree. The source for example, could be a person's social withdrawal due to an unfortunate string of events. This withdrawal could then lead to excessive feelings of loneliness, and depressive moods along with anhedonia. You cannot enjoy life when there is no one to enjoy life with.

In order to effectively treat the problem you need to find the cause, or the source creating it.
I didn't know the terminology, but I definitely fit in that category.

The root of the problem for me is varied and goes right back to early childhood - and I do recognise the roots. Trouble is, knowing the reasons doesn't mean I feel able to "re-hardwire" my brain, and my responses. The forum and practical applications (puting computers together) are a source of some form of enjoyment to me - partially because I am reasonably good at both, and because the activities work as distraction therapy. The sad fact though is that I have been on every single bit of medication, have had all the councelling that I could have, and considering I have been like this for forty years, and am 'sort of' maintained on some sort of equilibrium, which is probably the best I will ever achieve!:eek:
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
michel said:
I didn't know the terminology, but I definitely fit in that category.
The root of the problem for me is varied and goes right back to early childhood - and I do recognise the roots.
Trouble is, knowing the reasons doesn't mean I feel able to "re-hardwire" my brain, and my responses.
It has nothing to do with "re-hardwiring" a persons brain, there are no changes that you can make in how the brain reacts and how it responds physiologically. In knowing the scource of the problem, it gives you a ground to stand upon when trying to treat it. How can you treat a problem when you do not know what is specifically causing it? This is part of medical diagnosis and medical treatment is ineffective without the clinical process.
If it's situational then it probably has been conditioned. It's the same as developing a bad habit. A bad habit can be unlearned. You still have an inclination to do that bad habit, but you can control yourself from doing it. People learn to think and percieve things negatively, and this becomes habitual and reflexive, which will cause someone to become excessivley depressed or full of anxiety, etc. Altough feelings are reflexive, you do have control over your perceptions and thoughts. Feelings are processed based on perceptual information. If you have negetive perceptions and thoughts, your response is going to be negetive.

michel said:
The forum and practical applications (puting computers together) are a source of some form of enjoyment to me - partially because I am reasonably good at both, and because the activities work as distraction therapy. The sad fact though is that I have been on every single bit of medication, have had all the councelling that I could have, and considering I have been like this for forty years, and am 'sort of' maintained on some sort of equilibrium, which is probably the best I will ever achieve!:eek:
Have you seen a Neurologist?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Cynic said:
It has nothing to do with "re-hardwiring" a persons brain, there are no changes that you can make in how the brain reacts and how it responds physiologically. In knowing the scource of the problem, it gives you a ground to stand upon when trying to treat it. How can you treat a problem when you do not know what is specifically causing it? This is part of medical diagnosis and medical treatment is ineffective without the clinical process.
If it's situational then it probably has been conditioned. It's the same as developing a bad habit. A bad habit can be unlearned. You still have an inclination to do that bad habit, but you can control yourself from doing it. People learn to think and percieve things negatively, and this becomes habitual and reflexive, which will cause someone to become excessivley depressed or full of anxiety, etc. Altough feelings are reflexive, you do have control over your perceptions and thoughts. Feelings are processed based on perceptual information. If you have negetive perceptions and thoughts, your response is going to be negetive.

Have you seen a Neurologist?
No, actually I haven't. That's about theonly road I havent been down;I do know there is damage to the nervous system though, because I suffer from FMS and have trapped nerves in the neck, amongst other things.:(
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
michel said:
No, actually I haven't. That's about theonly road I havent been down;I do know there is damage to the nervous system though, because I suffer from FMS and have trapped nerves in the neck, amongst other things.:(
Yikes. I'm sorry for what you have been through. I'm definitely not an expert, my knowledge compared is superficial. Here is an elicitation of clinical information. (this is just an opening chapter)

Depressive Reactions

There are few persons who do not experience periods of discouragement and dispair. As with nervousness, irritability, and anxiety, depression of mood that is appropriate to a given situation in life (e.g., grife reaction) is seldom the basis of medical concern. Persons in these situations tend to seek help only when their grief or unhapiness is persistent and beyond control. However, there are numerous instances in which the symptoms of depression assert themselves for reasons that are not apparent. Often the symptoms are interpreted as a medical illness, bringing the patient first to the internist or neurologist. Sometimes another disease is found (such as chronic hepatitis or other infection or postinfectious asthenia) in which chronic fatigue is confused with depression; more often the opposite pertains, i.e., an endogenous depression is the essential problem even when there has been evidence earlier of a viral or bacterial infection. Since the risk of suicide is not inconsiderable in the depressed patient, an error in diagnosis may be life-threatening.
From the patient and the family it is leanred that the patient has been "feeling unwell," "low in spirits," "blue", "glum," "unhappy," or "morbid." There has been a change in his emotional reactions of which the patient may not be fully aware. Activities that he formerly found pleasureable are no longer so. Often, however, change in mood is less conspicuous then reduction in psychic and physicial energy, and it is this type of case that is so often misdiagnosed by internists and neurologists. A complaint of fatigue is almost invariable; not uncommonly, it is worse in the morning after a night of restless sleep. The patient complains of a "loss of pep," "weakness," "tiredness," "having no energy," and/or that his job has become more difficult. His outlook is pessimistic. The patient is irritable and preoccupied with uncontrollable worry over trivialities. With excessive worry, the ability to think with accostumed efficiency is reduced; the patient complains that his mind is not functioning properly and he is forgetful and unable to concentrate. If the patient is naturally of suspicious nature, paranoid tendencies may assert themselves.
Particularly troublesome is the patient's tendency to hypochondriasis. Indeed, the most cases formerly diagnosed as hypochorriasis are now regarded as depression. Pain from whatever cause--a stiff joint, a toothache, fleeting chest or abdomical pains, muscle cramps, or other disturbances such as constipation, frequency of urination, insomnia, pruritius, burning tongue, weight loss--may lead to obsessive complaints. The patients passes from doctor to doctor seeking relief from symptoms that would not trouble the normal person, and no amount of reassurance relieves his state of mind. The anxiety and depressed mood of these persons may be obscured by their preoccupation with visceral functions.
When the patient is examined, his facial expression is often plaintive, throubled, pained, or anguished. The patient's attitude and manner betray a prevailing mood of depression, hopelessness, and despondency. Sighing is a frequent sign. In other words, the affect, which is the outward expression of feeling, is consistent with the depressed mood. During the interview the patient may sigh frequently or be tearful and may cry openly. In some there is a kind of immobility of the face that mimicks parkinsonism, though others are restless and agitated (pacing, wringing their hands, etc.). Occasionally the patient will smile, but the smil impresses one as more a social gesture than a genuine expression of feeling.
The stream of speech is slow. There may be long pauses between questions and answers. The latter are brief and may be monosyllabic. There is a paucity of ideas. The retardation extends to all topics of conversation and affects movement of the limbs as well (anergic depression). The most extreme forms of decreased motor activity, rarely seen in the office or clinic, border on muteness and stupor Conversation is replete with pesimistic thoughts, fears, and expressions of unworthiness, inadequacy, inferiority, hopelessness, and sometimes guilt. In sever depressions, bizarre ideas and bodily delusions ("blood drying up," "bowels are blocked with cement,"I am half dead", may be expressed.
Three theories have emerged concerning the cause of the patholigic depressive state. (1) that the endogenous form is hereditary, (2) that a biochemical abnormality resutls in a periodic depletion in the brain of serotonin and norepinephrine, and (3) hat a basic fault in character developments exists. These theories are elaborated in Chap. 57.
It is the authors' belief that depressive states are among the most commonly overlooked diagnoses in clinical medicine. Part of the trouble is with the word itself, which implies being happy about something. Endogenous depression should be suspected in all states of chronic ill health, hypochrondriasis, disablity that exceeds manifest signs of medical disease, neurasthenia and ongoing fatigue, chronic pain sydromes--all of which may be termed "masked depressions." Inasmuch as recovery is the rule, suicide is a tragedy for which the medical profession must often share responsibility. Depressive illness and theories of their causation and management are considered further in Chap. 57. -Principles of Neurology, by Maurice Victor and Allen H. Ropper
Whew, onto chapter 57...
Anyways, I would consider the possibility that your chronic depression may be relative to a neurologic disease or some neurological disfunction.
The phenomina of depression is an abstruse thing.
 

Kowalski

Active Member
truthseekingsoul said:
Some might say we create our own purpose. I too, however, feel life is essentially pointless. Still damn good fun though.
Based on personal empirical testing, I would tend to say, it's pointless, everything we do is geared only to filling in the time and avoiding boredom. The other urge is to replicate, so that others can have the same pointless experience. And so on and so on.


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ch'ang

artist in training
There is no universal answer for that question, your purpose is whatever you want it to be
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't know if being true to yourself always brings happiness, but I am convinced that one cannot find the greatest happiness without being true to oneself.
 

syoonsh

Member
As I read many books related about life and many religions teaches different styles of what is the real purpose of life in their point of view. However, each of religions has meaning ful meaning and from that we have to learn from it. Thus, each we have to respect all religion no matter, which religion in the world is true or wrong, GOD does not love only certain religion.

From what I have seen movies related about life, the most remakrable movie I have ever seen was the " THE FIVE PEOPLE YOU MET IN HEAVEN". The story was not related based in Chritianity, nor buddhism, nor isalmic. According to the movie and the religion where I'm studying at, is our"REAL PURPOSE OF LIFE" is to learn the experiences in every day of our life. Think about your life which has been happinness, sadness, joyful, frustrated, all those emotions contains teachings of your every lifetime until now. Some emotions do create KARMA(Balance of laws of universe). for the next life. THe important is "NOW" not PAST, not the FUTURE, the important is "NOW". Because so many people are having experiencing difficulties with the PAST realizing that their brain is controlling negative information from the PAST and that negative information becomes larger and larger and creates diseases, and so on. We have to learn how to focus "NOW".

Life.....is one way to enlighten our souls to experience many things here in our EARTH. EARTH is like a teaching class experience. Can you imagine if "MATRIX" is true compare to our life? MATRIX was made of from Buddhism GOLD SUTRA. All the actors, directors believed in Asian eastern buddhism. All members of former Chicago Bulls (inclduing Michael Jordan) was buddhists.

When we see this, now Chritian is not the only religion that GOD wants to have peace dedicated in the world!. GOD does not want to rule over the peace by Chritian, nor Buddhism, nor islamic, nor any other religion, but to the whole world of people, and all religion of our universe. We are all same human beigns, and no one is greater then others. WE ARE ALL ONE!!!! no matter what your race is, where your born at, we are all equally human beings......Many Spiritual leaders have been enlighten this including Jesus, and Buddha.

Sorry about the post is getting long, but wants to give remind you of little bit about life.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
There is no ultimate "meaning" or point to life. Personally I have found the acceptance of that statement to be the most liberating thought in the world. It keeps the mind clear of pointless drivel.
 

hero

Member
before i was saved, i could honestly say i understood this situation. but i can only view your perspective through hazy eyes. some people are brought to Christ by logic, love, security, fear, and many other reasons, but no matter what brings them to Christ they are all united by one thing...love.
it sounds cliche, everyone has heard Christs' crucifixion. but many times people fail to see others aspects of the gospel. christmas just passed and i heard often, and even said so myself in a church play, "christ was born to be crucified for our sins." true yes, but covers no more than four of 28 chapters in matthew alone. not only did christ come to die because he loved us but also to teach us what love is. what good is a tool in the hands of someone who doesnt know how to use it. along with love their is humbling yourself, and again the christmas theme, giving of yourself.
in all of christmas i saw much giving, but little of themselves, me included. love is selfless correct, self sacrifice. and wouldnt that make sense, God is love, christ is God in spirit. scripture says he was their at the beggining of creation. and in order for god to show us true love he literally exercised self sacrifice. it was not nearly so much as an offering of blood in such terms as an offering of love that saves us. for we know that many go unsaved, and so we know that the blood of christ alone cannot save us. it sounds like blasphemy at first, but it is not. for to say that such alone would do it, would be the same as saying to the eternally condemned, whoever they may be, that christs' blood was never shed. so we know that the physical sacrifice alone cannot save us. by God reaching out to us in love and self sacrifice he made it possible for us to make a personal relationship with him by learning what love, god, is. and in order for us to be saved we must do as God and give of ourselves, repenting of our sins. many parts of this story i am sure you already know, but sometimes its easier to see things from a fresh perspective. if you feel unfulfilled it has something to do with love, no matter what. as does everything in the bible. such is to be true if god is love. love is what we believe in. its what we live by. and if live seems pointless, love is missing in some aspect. seeing as how only two know your heart, and one of them resides in it, the answers you seek can only be found within, i hope i managed a way for you to see them.
 

hero

Member
life can only be lived in the present. the past is a memory, and no matter how good the "good old days seem" humans have a bad habit of seeing only one side of a story. either something was good or bad. humans never fail to withold an opinion on something, which is what makes judging such a problem for so many. the present is the futures past, and the pasts future, their is an element of present in every form of life, past present and future. if you feel life is pointless, maybe because it is that your either living a dream(future) or a memory(past), and not living life which is the present.
 

hero

Member
ignorance is bliss. why is that. in my opinion, which holds little to no value, it is this:
any time someone deals with a problem humans focus on it to solve it, as though it were a math problem or such. if someone is running late for work, the keep a steady eye on the clock. if they are having trouble financing they keep track of what they spend, and what their bank account holds. so if time is the problem, they focus on time, if money is the problem, they focus on money. NOTE:(you are tempted when you are drawn away by your own lusts and enticed) temptation is a spititual problem and cannot be solved as can an earthly situation. for earths wisdom is curcumstantial, unlike that of gods, which is unchanging-Hence unchanging One. by focusing on temptation man only succeeds in further tempting himself by consentration on his own lusts, leaving satan with much endeserved credit. man is his own worst enemy in this way.
 
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