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What's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true?

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
One should not confuse belief with Faith
However neither rely on proven truth
but simply on sincere acceptance.

Even in science remarkably little is based on unalterable "Fact"
almost everything is open to review.

Nothing is provable in Religion, the best we have is Belief and Faith.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Conclusion: there's NO purpose of believing in something that cannot be proven to be true. People unnecessarily dishonor theists.

You can believe as you do. I don't dishonor you, just because I don't believe in truth. That you have a problem with that, is your problem. Stop making your problems universal and claim they apply to all belief systems.
You in effect dishonor me just as some other people do to yet other people.
 

chinu

chinu
One should not confuse belief with Faith
However neither rely on proven truth
but simply on sincere acceptance.

Even in science remarkably little is based on unalterable "Fact"
almost everything is open to review.

Nothing is provable in Religion, the best we have is Belief and Faith.
And, moreover there's NO purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true. People unnecessarily dishonor theists.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
BUT, what's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven to be true? People unnecessarily dishonor theists.
IMO:
It is simple. Life can be tough, and belief inJesus, Buddha, Allah, Sai Baba can be comforting. And it's a fact that Bhakti Yoga works, and is a sure path to achieve the Goal "Surrender to God" which gets you pretty close to the highest Goal in Life some claim;). Spiritual version of "friends with benefits"
 
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chinu

chinu
You can believe as you do. I don't dishonor you, just because I don't believe in truth. That you have a problem with that, is your problem. Stop making your problems universal and claim they apply to all belief systems.
You in effect dishonor me just as some other people do to yet other people.
Theist unable to prove his/her belief, doesn't make dishonoring an atheist by default.
But, yes an atheist asking a theist to prove his/her belief, make dishonoring a theist by default, because this further arises a question that.. What's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Theist unable to prove his/her belief, doesn't make dishonoring an atheist by default.
But, yes an atheist asking a theist to prove his/her belief, make dishonoring a theist by default, because this further arises a question that.. What's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true?

That it makes me feel good as feeling related to well-being.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
My answer is: No profit/benefit.
Hence, nobody believe something that cannot be proven to be true.

Actually, this is a very good question that often arise in the mind of an atheists. A very good question because.. Often, atheists get lost into thinkings finding answer to this question.

I really like this question because there's certainly something to be gained by NOT believing in claims until any evidence supports that belief.

BUT, what's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven to be true? People unnecessarily dishonor theists.

In following your threads my opinion is, you will never know, your mind is not open but closed to your own specific beliefs. You ask questions to only try and force your beliefs on others and if they stand firm you tell them they are wrong and ignore them. Seek the unproven and you will be enlightened.
 

chinu

chinu
If it helps things like social cohesion, doing well in life and so on, no problem.
Friend, there's a big difference between "Egoist" and a "Theist"

YOU are telling about a "Egoist"
Whereas, am asking about a "Theist"
 

chinu

chinu
In following your threads my opinion is, you will never know, your mind is not open but closed to your own specific beliefs.
NOT only you, All atheists say this.
You ask questions to only try and force your beliefs on others
Asking question doesn't means forcing a belief.
For example: If you are a parent. I hope you don't treat your children this way.
and if they stand firm you tell them they are wrong and ignore them.
For example: what else can a small child do if he/she don't get any satisfactory answer ?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
You ask questions to only try and force your beliefs on others and if they stand firm you tell them they are wrong and ignore them
Thanks for this line (not that I got that impression here), but it is a good reminder how great it is to ask unbiased questions. I keep it in mind.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
NOT only you, All atheists say this.

Asking question doesn't means forcing a belief.
For example: If you are a parent. I hope you don't treat your children this way.

For example: what else can a small child do if he/she don't get any satisfactory answer ?

As I told you before I am Agnostic.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
I am a theist, this is true.


Friend, there's a big difference between a "Scientist" and a "Theist"

YOU are telling about a "Scientist".
Whereas, am asking about a "Theist"

Of all the millions of theists in this world, which one do you agree with?
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Hence, nobody believe something that cannot be proven to be true.

***MOD EDIT*** Humans believe everything which is unproven on a daily basis. The most obvious one is history.

Josephus, The wars of the Jews: Book 6.2.1
And now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up;


Please prove that,
Titus ever existed
he did give such orders
his orders reached the soldiers (prove the existence of these soldiers first)
they did dig up the foundations of the tower (prove that tower ever existed in the first place, which was in Antonia)
they did make a ready passage
whether his army did come up through the passage made


Most important part, how many humans do you think will prove the above before they take Josephus' writings as a historical fact?


At last but not least, more likely your understand of the reality is a joke!
Moreover, ask yourself when is the last time you ever proved anything after every single info in this world being fed to your brain?

Like history, information must be in a form of human testimonies simply because humans lack the capability to get to a truth directly. The majority of them have to rely on someone (or an extremely small amount of humans) who has a direct contact to a truth in order to reach such a truth.
 
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