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What's the use of Climate Change?

Thanda

Well-Known Member
Today I was looking at the google news page as I normally do every morning. At the end of the page there is a the science section where they often have stories about climate change. Today the story was about how climate change is increasing the amount of Toxins in food.
This got me thinking: for such a benignly named phenomenon this climate change thing sure seems to do nothing but bad in the world. It would probably be more aptly named "Climate Terror" or "Climate Terminator".

Was the climate really that perfect before that all the changes happening are causing nothing but trouble? Or are there some useful positives that are coming from the changing of the climate (albeit perhaps without outweighing the negatives)?

If there are positives, what are they?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Today I was looking at the google news page as I normally do every morning. At the end of the page there is a the science section where they often have stories about climate change. Today the story was about how climate change is increasing the amount of Toxins in food.
This got me thinking: for such a benignly named phenomenon this climate change thing sure seems to do nothing but bad in the world. It would probably be more aptly named "Climate Terror" or "Climate Terminator".

Was the climate really that perfect before that all the changes happening are causing nothing but trouble? Or are there some useful positives that are coming from the changing of the climate (albeit perhaps without outweighing the negatives)?

If there are positives, what are they?
This is something that I've long noticed too.
Despite the fact that our little blue planet has been alternately warmer & cooler (when it was a little white planet) over eons, there's the automatic presumption that we're now leaving our narrow Goldilocks zone, & that for the first time in geological history it will be irreversible. I'm skeptical of the continual claims that only doom & gloom result.

Btw, I think we'd be better off if Earth didn't warm up.
But it's likely that positive things would happen here & there.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Was the climate really that perfect before that all the changes happening are causing nothing but trouble?
Despite the fact that our little blue planet has been alternately warmer & cooler (when it was a little white planet) over eons, there's the automatic presumption that we're now leaving our narrow Goldilocks zone, & that for the first time in geological history it will be irreversible.
The change in and of itself, over a long period of time has happened before, for sure. But what we are seeing is a very dramatic shift over a short period of time. That is the alarming part.

I'm skeptical of the continual claims that only doom & gloom result.
I understand the skepticism to the doomsday theories, just so long as we are all aware of it occurring and are helping pitch in to make sure it doesn't run wild. By that, I mean, promoting education and electing officials who can help out.
 
Today I was looking at the google news page as I normally do every morning. At the end of the page there is a the science section where they often have stories about climate change. Today the story was about how climate change is increasing the amount of Toxins in food.
This got me thinking: for such a benignly named phenomenon this climate change thing sure seems to do nothing but bad in the world. It would probably be more aptly named "Climate Terror" or "Climate Terminator".

Was the climate really that perfect before that all the changes happening are causing nothing but trouble? Or are there some useful positives that are coming from the changing of the climate (albeit perhaps without outweighing the negatives)?

If there are positives, what are they?

With or without man, climate change is part of a natural cycle.
I'm sure there are positives and negatives for the planet on either side of the scale.
Theres also no doubt that climate change is a great political tool.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I understand the skepticism to the doomsday theories, just so long as we are all aware of it occurring and are helping pitch in to make sure it doesn't run wild. By that, I mean, promoting education and electing officials who can help out.
I'm not chipping in.
I don't know nuthin about climatology, so it would be silly for me to simply repeat popular scientific opinions.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
The change in and of itself, over a long period of time has happened before, for sure. But what we are seeing is a very dramatic shift over a short period of time. That is the alarming part.


I understand the skepticism to the doomsday theories, just so long as we are all aware of it occurring and are helping pitch in to make sure it doesn't run wild. By that, I mean, promoting education and electing officials who can help out.


Could you point out a dramatic shift?
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Could you point out a dramatic shift?
I am not doing this again. Every time I begin to present data to you it is never good enough, it is a conspiracy, it is overplayed, a liberal agenda, pseudoscience, etc etc etc. Let's just skip the usual BS and call it a draw. Thanks.
 

Shimi

Lupus Ovis Pelle Indutus
I do not know that there are any benefits to it...

I too have often wondered what the world was like for early man. How much better we could breath. We would have been able to drink water from nearly any stream. Yes I do think our world was a far "healthier" at one point.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
I'm not chipping in.
I don't know nuthin about climatology, so it would be silly for me to simply repeat popular scientific opinions.

I quite agree with Revotingest.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence or interest in this subject can easily google
literal volumes of articles with scientific data and conclude MAN INDUCED climate
change is very real.
Climate change has been around since the earth was formed.
MAN INDUCED climate change is a new phenomenon caused mainly by
polluting the air, land, and waters.
Global warming is also a natural occurrence but man has caused more rapid warming by
polluting the air.
Would the earth ever reverse these damaging changes.
YES!
When we STOP polluting our environment, which won't happen any time soon,
and the earth cleaning itself will take centuries.
Don't hold your breath.
And we often wonder what causes cancers and other health issues.
Does any one know a person who is allergic to what we might consider "harmless"
products most of us use every day with impunity?
I do.
A woman I know is allergic to so many "ordinary" household products that she must
be very careful what laundry products she uses.
Even clothes washed in detergents makes her very ill.
God forbid she walks into a home just sprayed with air freshener.

I live close to the Mahoning river that was polluted so badly back in the early
1960's that it caught fire!
We kids used to fish that river but eating the fish was suicide.
They were polluted with mercury and other heavy metals used in industry that was
dumped into the river without a thought.
Kids that swam in it often became quite ill with all manner of complaints.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
I won't get into the fact that industrialized modern man has ruined the environment
AND our food.
ALL processed food is "devitalized".
We humans get plenty of food to sustain life but the caveat is the food that keeps
us alive also contributes to illnesses that KILL US!
Cancer anyone?
Think you can take a One-a-Day vitamin and be fine?
NOT!
Commercial vitamins are chemicals the body can't use very well.
Mega amounts of vitamins are useless anyway as the body can only use
so much of it.
The rest amounts to expensive ****.
ONLY natural food supplements are worth investing in.
I take them regularly.
I still can't leap a tall building in a single bound but I feel no ill effect either.
I have an implant, an artificial right knee. The area around that knee would
often swell creating nasty pain and a limp.
Not any longer since I've been on the only natural supplement on the market.
I'm quite sure the natural supplements are good for anyone as they are simply
concentrated food.
There is only ONE brand that is an all natural food supplement.
These supplements are the ONLY ones chosen by our Olyipmic ski team
and other sports organizations.
Fact is our astronauts take this only all natural supplement brand.
Anyone read Euell Gibbons?
He was a proponent of natural foods and way ahead of his time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euell_Gibbons
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
As an aside you cannot buy this supplement at your local G.N.C. shop.
It's NOT marketed commercially.
If interested in such contact a local independent distributor.

SORRY FOR THE THREAD DRIFT!
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This is something that I've long noticed too.
Despite the fact that our little blue planet has been alternately warmer & cooler (when it was a little white planet) over eons, there's the automatic presumption that we're now leaving our narrow Goldilocks zone, & that for the first time in geological history it will be irreversible. I'm skeptical of the continual claims that only doom & gloom result.

Btw, I think we'd be better off if Earth didn't warm up.
But it's likely that positive things would happen here & there.

Seconded, we are still within the normal temp ranges for the last ten-thousand years and moreover the ice has been melting nearly that entire time (as a rule). Al Gore was so worried about it that he planted his new mega-mansion (that uses the power of an entire town) right on top of the flood zone. I guess he isn't too worried.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Here's my take: A wise person/people don't just live in the present; they are aware of the past and think about the future, including the possible consequences of their actions in the past, present and future. They plan for the future.

The ancient climatological evidence suggests that Earth has been on average much cooler than the present for most of the last several millions years--usually much colder--with occasional warm periods called interglacials--such as the last 10,000 or so years. Based on the earlier cycles, it appears that the current interglacial has already lasted several thousand years longer than average. That is, the system should be headed into the next Ice Age already...In other words, we should already be experiencing conditions much colder and wetter than the Little Ice Age in the 1800s...instead, Earth is warming...

The Earth and its climate is a dynamic, complex, complicated, and chaotic system--such that even small changes in the inputs and conditions can result in tremendous changes overall. But humans have long thought of the Earth as stable, and unchanging...but it is not, and never has been. Humans have been tweaking it for many thousands of years...it has been warmer before (several thousand years ago), but those were different times, with different conditions, and the potential changes that we have helped to cause over the last several thousand years (and especially the last 250 or so) make the future adaptability of the planet questionable.

What is different now?
For one thing, we've converted lots of land from natural ecosystems into farmland, pastureland, and urban areas, which has caused changes in the reflectivity of the surface, and runoff of water, and lots of other changes, while at the same time reducing the biodiversity of the planet and therefore the ecosystem's ability to respond to the changes.

Another thing we've done is release lots of chemicals into the environment through mining, use of chemical fertilizers, the extraction and burning of fossil fuels, etc. Again, the small changes add up--small increases in CO2 and methane in the atmosphere lead to a change in the energy balance, resulting in warming of the planet as a whole. At the same time, CO2, nitrogen oxides and many other chemicals change the chemistry of the atmosphere and our waters, which affect the species that live there, and so on, feedback into the balance of the system...

Another thing we've done, related to the first two, is greatly increase the human population. Just supporting approaching 8 billion people is going to affect the system, just because we have to convert natural ecosystems to raise the food and build the houses and create the clothing for all those people--it makes an impact on the rest of the system...

Wise people recognize that humans are causing at least part of the change we are experiencing...and even if we aren't the primary or only cause, it's in our interest to find out what is driving that change, and to take steps to adapt to it--even to control it if we can. Do you invest for your retirement? Do you buy health insurance in case you get ill? Life insurance to provide for your family in case you die? That's the same kind of reasoning we need in regard to climate change.

Sure, there are lots of potential "bad" things possible in the future, no matter what happens to the climate. And, there will be lots of "good" things as well; for example, a warmer climate in Canada will allow growth of crops that currently cannot be grown there. In some ways, that's a good thing--but the soils there are not very rich, and will require extensive fertilizer and other chemicals...which is not necessarily a good thing, starting with the fact that turning boreal forests and tundra into farmland means destroying natural habitat, driving out natural ecosystems, and further changing the conditions of the system...

What people need to start doing (in my opinion) is to start looking carefully at what they do and why they do it, and what impacts positive and negative it has--and whether or not they need to change those behaviors...and what might be better ways of doing things, with more positive and less negative impacts.

Frankly, I'm not that opposed to causing some global warming, if it keeps us from having glaciers over most of North America and Europe, etc. But runaway global warming--just as runaway global cooling (an ice age)-- would have mostly bad consequences for most of the present and future human population. And, at this point, we don't have enough knowledge about the functioning of the system, or enough control over our activities, to make controlled changes to the system. Basically, we're blindly mucking about with the system we depend on...hoping that everything will work out okay, or that at the last moment we'll discover how to prevent catastrophe...

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now...
 
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