whats up with the "Xtians"?????

[Unveiled Artist]

some would argue its a sign of removing Christ from the equation, hence the X

XMass could be because Christ has nothing to do with the Mass.

Thats the consesus of what I heard. Its sad, really, because the word Mass is in general a Church (body of believers) coming together in worship at the Lord's Supper (Translate as will)

The meaning is not just Catholic but all denominations that serve communion. So, Id see it an insult to replace an X for Christ...but then I was told above its not "just" a letter.

 

[SomeRandom]

So people have shorthand for Christians and Christmas and?
I never realized this was really that big of an issue. I mean, I grew up in a predominately Christian Neighborhood and frankly no one ever cared if you wrote Christmas or Xmas or Xtians or what have you.

 

[philbo]

Naw. You should read Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. Cant tell you what happens but its well organized but you got to keep up. The full version isnt a fast-food read.

Must have been 30 years ago I read that Same sort of time I first tried (& failed) to read War and Peace. When I was a teenager, I read pretty much anything & everything there was in the house.

 

[Jumi]

So people have shorthand for Christians and Christmas and?
I never realized this was really that big of an issue. I mean, I grew up in a predominately Christian Neighborhood and frankly no one ever cared if you wrote Christmas or Xmas or Xtians or what have you.

Same, we had Merry Xmas on cardsetc. Then came all that 80s writing substituting numbers for parts of a word and when people got tired of it, they also stopped using Xmas.

 

[sojourner]

So what? Neither are global warming, the holocaust, evolution, LGBTQ rights, gender equality or democracy universally heeded, doesn't mean it's not right to heed them. Not much is universally heeded. Just because it's not universal doesn't actually mean anything.

I'd prefer a few letters extra, writing the actual word. It's not really a lot to ask for now, is it?

Feelings about letters in words are a far cry from feelings about the health of the environment and social injustice. We heed those things because they're important universally. Your feelings about the letter "t" are important to no one but you and Sesame Street.

 

[sojourner]

some would argue its a sign of removing Christ from the equation, hence the X

XMass could be because Christ has nothing to do with the Mass.

X is "Christ." Most would argue that your statement is highly biased and unfounded in its premise. Christ is certainly present in the Mass, for it is the meal he served to his disciples in the upper room.

 

[sojourner]

It was a more general statement that people use so may different ways to refer to the guy. If five people calles me five different names, Id find it hard to keep track. So, Id dsignate two names, one formal and one informal, and leave it there.

Hmmm....
1. My given name
2. Worshipful Brother (in lodge)
3) Pastor
4) Reverend
5) Mr. (last name)
6) Rev. (last name)
7) Dear
8) Hon
9) Sweetie
10) Daddy
11) Opa
12) Uncle
13) Any number of nicknames

Somehow, I, a regular human being, keep all that "straight." And I'm not God Incarnate. Oh! Plus any number of initials, usernames, passwords, and identifying member numbers.

 

[Breathe]

Feelings about letters in words are a far cry from feelings about the health of the environment and social injustice. We heed those things because they're important universally. Your feelings about the letter "t" are important to no one but you and Sesame Street.

That's a nice strawman of my point.

 

[sojourner]

That's a nice strawman of my point.

No, it's not. My point is that your feelings about the letter "t" are insignificant and are not cogent to the argument. If you don't like it, nobody's twisting your tail to write it. But you don't get to whine about what other people do out of a recognized convenience, and dictate that we do it differently, to suit your "sensibilities."

 

[oldbadger]

No. Was just shaking my head. "Tis. Tis. Tis. Poor Christ." It was a more general statement that people use so may different ways to refer to the guy.

I refer to Yeshua barYosef as Jesus, or Yeshua.
He has many names now........... and a rose is a rose, by any other name.

If five people calles me five different names, Id find it hard to keep track. So, Id dsignate two names, one formal and one informal, and leave it there.

That's cool.......... but look at how patient the Muslims and Jehovah's-Witness and Brethren and .... etc have been.......?
For countless decades in the UK, Muslims have been referred to in the media as Moslems, and the way that we English pronounce Moslems (with a z) produces a very very bad meaning, but I only learned that when I came here, to RF.
Jehovah's Witnesses are constantly referred to here as JWs, but (so far) not one JW has confronted this abbr.
etc etc.........
You want to see what we English call Scots.....

Other than that, I havnt seen X used in pendants as christian related. I learned something new.

One disciple or apostle) was (traditionally) crucified on an X, but I forget which one.

 

[Muffled]

Giggles Inanely , enjoy the double entendre

I believe Xian and Xmas are used to codify Christ so it isn't as obviously offensive to Jews. I believe in offending people when it is justified doing so and some people don't want to be herded into being politically correct.

 

[sojourner]

One disciple or apostle) was (traditionally) crucified on an X, but I forget which one.

Andrew. That's the whole reason for the big "X" on the Union Jack -- it's Scotland's flag, and St. Andrew is Scotland's patron saint. it's indicative of the type of cross upon which Andrew was traditionally said to be crucified.

 

[oldbadger]

I'd prefer a few letters extra, writing the actual word. It's not really a lot to ask for now, is it?

Hi.....
Well, there's a small problem there.
You're 'telling' people how to address your faith.
I get fed up with people who 'tell' me how to say their names.
It's like an English born and 'refined' lady in our street who has decided that her name needs an acute and a grave accent, turning it from simple Helen into Haylan. She corrects everybody who calls her 'Helen'.And yet she addresses me by the shortened form of my name!! I love these objectionable people........ not!

Here's one for you. There are some atheists out there who are very upset when people wish them 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Easter' and especially 'God Bless you'. Did you know that? Do you personally make sure that the persons who you offer these sentences, will not be upset by them?

Well? You want to be socially correct, so do you check folks' objections before you speak to them?

 

[oldbadger]

Andrew. That's the whole reason for the big "X" on the Union Jack -- it's Scotland's flag, and St. Andrew is Scotland's patron saint. it's indicative of the type of cross upon which Andrew was traditionally said to be crucified.

Thankyou..... I've kicked myself.
The elderly lady who wore an X pendant was Scottish.
Says it all..........

 

[Breathe]

Hi.....
Well, there's a small problem there.
You're 'telling' people how to address your faith.

Small problem: not my faith. I'm not Christian.

I get fed up with people who 'tell' me how to say their names.

A matter of respect to pronounce their name rights, though.

Here's one for you. There are some atheists out there who are very upset when people wish them 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Easter' and especially 'God Bless you'. Did you know that? Do you personally make sure that the persons who you offer these sentences, will not be upset by them?

Nope, because they're infringing on people's freedom.

People are free to say what they want. I'm free to say what I prefer.
Otherwise, it's not really free speech, is it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How in the world do gou keep up with all that. If I didnt have a system I would forget all my passwords and bank numbers.

Then, it is written, some people are more gifted than others.

Hmmm....
1. My given name
2. Worshipful Brother (in lodge)
3) Pastor
4) Reverend
5) Mr. (last name)
6) Rev. (last name)
7) Dear
8) Hon
9) Sweetie
10) Daddy
11) Opa
12) Uncle
13) Any number of nicknames

Somehow, I, a regular human being, keep all that "straight." And I'm not God Incarnate. Oh! Plus any number of initials, usernames, passwords, and identifying member numbers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Christian = pair of jeans.

Xian = pair of designer jeans with sparkles.

 

[sojourner]

Christian = pair of jeans.

Xian = pair of designer jeans with sparkles.

Back in the day, you used to be able to go into Wal-Mart and buy a pair of Dickies for $8, when Levis were bought in boutiques for $25. Now, the same Dickies are sold in boutiques for $60. Go figure.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

I understand abreviating God to G-d.

Reminds me of an old joke:

Q. - You know why they called Bo Jackson "Bo?"
A. - No. I don't.
Q. - Because his actual name was too long for him to remember.
A. - Really? What was his real name?
Q. - Bob.

(((rimshot)))

But seriously ... why is it OK it leave the "o" out of God? Why is that acceptable?

The word Christian isnt a holy word.

So why make a fuss if it gets abbreviated?

Its a title

Along the lines of "Mr" or "Mrs" or "Capt" or "Sgt?"

for someone who has a relationship with Christ.

Oh. I see. Sort of like how "monsignor" (someone who almost certainly has "a relationship" with Christ) ends up being abbreviated to "Mgr" or "Msgr" or "Mon?"

Why abreviate Christmas?

Why abbreviate anything?

To many christians, that is one of the most important days of the year, the time Christ was born.

How appropriate that there isn't a single shred of evidence to support the claim that Jesus was born in late December!

...

"He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks." ~ Romans 14:6

Do you suppose that the same might hold true for those who writeth out "Christian" ... and for those who opt to abbreviate it?

 

[sojourner]

How in the world do gou keep up with all that. If I didnt have a system I would forget all my passwords and bank numbers.

Then, it is written, some people are more gifted than others.

I have a system...