What's wrong with these people that call for the Death of all Jews?

[LuisDantas]

Same goes with do you want me to believe Syria attacked it's people with gas weapons?

I rest my case. You are disgracing your own credibility to such an extent that I don't have the heart to even challenge your claims anymore.

 

[sovietchild]

I rest my case. You are disgracing your own credibility to such an extent that I don't have the heart to even challenge your claims anymore.

That's okay, I don't think you see the entire picture. Can you picture millions of Africans and middle eastern people storming Europe, because of WW3? Most of Africans will be Muslims, Rome will be Muslim. Israel will not only be cornered but they will be surrounded. Turkey might go down in history, too. We already saw what almost happened to Turkey, anyways.

 

[LuisDantas]

That's okay, I don't think you see the entire picture.

Yeah. I guess I should expect you say something like that by now. Nothing is too out there now.

Can you picture millions of Africans and middle eastern people storming Europe, because of WW3? Most of Africans will be Muslims, Rome will be Muslim. Israel will not only be cornered by they will be surrounded. Turkey might go down in history, too.

I don't think you get it, @sovietchild . If Islaam demands submission or challenge, it will indeed get its final challenge.

 

[Flankerl]

Can you picture millions of Africans and middle eastern people storming Europe, because of WW3?

Fun fact: There are more bullets in Europe than Muslims world wide.

Sure at the moment Europeans are still rather chill about the antics of Muslims. But last time Europeans stopped being chill death was everywhere.

I realise Muslims don't respect non-Muslims.
You think their women are whores and to be toyed with.
That their men are all wussies.
But just because a Lion currently sleeps doesn't mean it will be asleep forever.


Just don't cry when the Chinese, Russian and NATO armies march through your cities and your mosques are being blown up.

If you honestly think that the poor 3rd world can ever win against the military might of the 1st world you are being delusional.

 

[sovietchild]

Fun fact: There are more bullets in Europe than Muslims world wide.

Sure at the moment Europeans are still rather chill about the antics of Muslims. But last time Europeans stopped being chill death was everywhere.

I realise Muslims don't respect non-Muslims.
You think their women are whores and to be toyed with.
That their men are all wussies.
But just because a Lion currently sleeps doesn't mean it will be asleep forever.


Just don't cry when the Chinese, Russian and NATO armies march through your cities and your mosques are being blown up.

If you honestly think that the poor 3rd world can ever win against the military might of the 1st world you are being delusional.

By, WW3 I meant, NATO vs Russia all out war, and Europe being a rebound for millions of Africans because Europe might be destroyed. It's just a theory. New groups will emerge from Egypt, Turkey, Saudi, Yemen, middle eastern and Iran, who could be very powerful. Plus, who is going feed the cornered 500,000 Israel soldiers? Lots of Nazi soldiers died out of starvation, anyways.

By the way, the biggest mosque in Europe is in Russia, right?

 

[LuisDantas]

You are out of your mind, @sovietchild

 

[Sakeenah]

https://www.memri.org/reports/addre...allah-annihilate-white-house-satan-trump-jews

Speaking at Al-Aqsa Mosque on May 19, 2017, Palestinian cleric Ali Abu Ahmad called U.S. President Donald Trump "the White House Satan" and prayed to Allah to "annihilate Trump and the conspirators" and to "annihilate all the Jews."


Why do Muslims clerics like this call for the death of people? Doesn't Islam bill itself as the religion of peace. How are death threats peaceful?

This man reminds me of a rabid dog. These death-mongers will chew up everyone that crosses their path.

As an Imam he has the responsibility to promote peace, he should be building bridges not burn them. There are Imams that have a certain political ideology and they are known to give these kind of sermons. I believe this sermon is more political than religious.

Islam doesn't promote antisemitism, Jews and muslims share similar values and principles. Muslims regard the children of Israel as an important concept of Islam and Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual and prophet.
Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully in the past and still do in many places. Muslims and Jews in the West have come together in solidarity against hate crimes. Here is an article that mentions 8 moments of Muslim-Jewish solidarity that will give you hope 8 Moments of Muslim-Jewish Solidarity That Will Give You Hope

 

[Rival]

It's so nice to have sovietchild on ignore.

If only Smart_Guy were here.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I think there is a difference in how death is viewed between Jews and Muslims and has to do with why this Imam does not see what he is doing as evil. Here is how I currently think it is:

This Imam who is calling for the death of all Jews, ironically, may not hate Jews as much as it sounds like. He sees death differently.

As a Jew if you were going to kill someone you'd think that you were permanently robbing the world and changing that person's fate, so for you killing someone is very mean and the ultimate sin. For a Muslim neither death nor life is an escape from Islam or God's judgment which is fateful. What is death to them? It is a curtain only and does not even change your fate. (I am no expert on Islam, so correct me if I'm mistaken.) I think that they believe that God chooses the fate of each person heaven or hell and that if you are an unbeliever of Muhammad and Jesus it is because God has chosen you are to be one. If you are fated for Hell then to Hell you go. It may or may not be a sin to kill you, but they do not see it as a change in your ultimate destiny.

For that reason although the Imam has called for the culling of all Jews there is less spite in it than if he believed that he was really putting an end to your existence.

He sees death differently?

You're argument demonstrates a problem with such beliefs. They seem to justify or at least mitigate murder. Never mind cutting the Jew's life short. and the grief caused to the loved ones of the victim. If the Jew was going to hell anyway, killing him and getting that going now is not nearly so bad.

Isn't that what you wrote?

Don't Christians share that same belief -that the Jew's fate in the afterlife is also unaffected by his murder.

 

[Kirran]

I'm going to tag @Sakeenah in hopes of a reasonable and edifying response regarding Islamic views around death. No pressure.

 

[leibowde84]

Sure, they can fall, but if WW3 does breaks out, new groups might emerge, right?

I'm sure there will always be groups of psychopaths that come about.

 

[sovietchild]

I'm sure there will always be groups of psychopaths that come about.

Is there such a thing as psychopath in a war? In that case who is USA in WW2?

 

[leibowde84]

Is there such a thing as psychopath in a war? In that case who is USA in WW2?

Yes. Extremist groups who commit terrorist attacks targeting innocent children are psychopaths, imho.

The USA helped to save western civilization from the Nazis and Japanese Empire. Definitely not psychopaths. Both the Nazis and the Japanese were psychopathic with their attempted extermination of entire innocent populations. The US and the other allies had no choice but to try to stop them before they took over the world.

 

[leibowde84]

Is there such a thing as psychopath in a war? In that case who is USA in WW2?

The Japanese were responsible for executing millions of innocent civilians, human experimentation, and unprovoked invasions throughout the pacific. The Nazis ... well, we all know what they did ... it's almost too disturbing to get into it. They were probably the most evil group in the history of the world.

 

[sovietchild]

Yes. Extremist groups who commit terrorist attacks targeting innocent children are psychopaths, imho.

The USA helped to save western civilization from the Nazis and Japanese Empire. Definitely not psychopaths. Both the Nazis and the Japanese were psychopathic with their attempted extermination of entire innocent populations. The US and the other allies had no choice but to try to stop them before they took over the world.

The only country that used a nuclear bomb is USA, the bomb killed only about 10% of soldiers of total casualties. How many do you think were children?

 

[Revoltingest]

The Japanese were responsible for executing millions of innocent civilians, human experimentation, and unprovoked invasions throughout the pacific. The Nazis ... well, we all know what they did ... it's almost too disturbing to get into it. They were probably the most evil group in the history of the world.

Don't forget cannibalism.
Ew.

 

[leibowde84]

The only country that used a nuclear bomb is USA, the bomb killed only 10% of soldiers of total casualties. How many do you think were children?

The atom bombs were the only plausible way to end the war quickly. Pretty much every other actor was trying to build a nuclear bomb. The US was the first to develop it.

It was either use the bomb or invade mainland Japan to end the war. The emperor was considered a god in Japan, and, in their culture, surrender was unacceptable. We had to end the war, and the quickest end was the best way to save the most lives. If we hadn't used the bomb, far more people would have been killed. It was the right thing to do in that specific situation.

And, in comparison, the Japanese killed millions more innocent people than the atomic weapons did. The Japanese were comparable to the Nazis in brutality against innocent civilians, thoughts of racial superiority and enslaving every other race, and war crimes. They absolutely had to be defeated. The atomic bombs were the best way to end the war as quickly as possible, finally forcing the emperor to surrender.

 

[leibowde84]

The only country that used a nuclear bomb is USA, the bomb killed only about 10% of soldiers of total casualties. How many do you think were children?

All in all, the use of the atomic bombs was nothing compared to the war crimes the Japanese and Germans would perpetrate if they were not stopped.

 

[Nakosis]

Is there such a thing as psychopath in a war? In that case who is USA in WW2?

There's always psychopaths, it's just more likely they will be given free reign during times of war.

 

[Nakosis]

Don't forget cannibalism.
Ew.