Altfish
Veteran Member
Well, when it was 52-48 to Leave it was "The Will of the people" - won't it be the same?
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whats your beef with brexit?
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Altfish
Veteran Member
Your posts would be a lot more believable if you stopped using this term every time.
It is like me calling Leavers 'Gammons' every time.
If you've anything useful to say stop using insulting terms.
I wonder what yesterday's historical vote means and what we should watch for from now on.
The Channel Four video that I watched had someone say something that appears to be very true. That beings that while the opposition to May's Deal was remarkably strong, the reasons for opposing her are all over the place and often at odds with each other. There may easily be more confusion now than before the vote.
I must say, Theresa May surprised me with her final speech. Whatever else she may be, she is capable of speaking with grace and reason even in such an obviously emotional moment. It can't be easy to be so blatantly blamed by her whole country.
The situation shows the limitations of the British system of an official speaker for the opposition fairly well. There is what seems to be an explicit, structural assumption that opposing May must result in hearing Corbyn, and that is not necessarily a good thing.
I wish I knew why Corbyn is focusing on the No Confidence vote instead of proposing a second vote to help and settle things at least a bit. He is clearly hoping to gain prestige and influence from May's fiasco, but it looks like a neglect to address the issues at hand.
Now would be an excellent time for a Blue Vests movement to speak out aloud and clearly in the UK, since Corbyn regrettably will not. Or, I suppose, for North Ireland and Scotland to begin new, exciting phases of their existences.
If I understood correctly, at some point between now and Friday there will almost certainly be a new vote about whether the Parlament still acknowledges Theresa May as a legitimate chief of the Executive. Yesterday's results may mean that she will lose it, but that is by no means a given, since her opposers are even more at odds with each other. For the same reason, the actual results of a formal repudiation are very much unclear. All the more so because May can't be repelled by her own party until December.
At this point it really feels (to me anyway) that the sensible thing to do would be state the obvious - that there is a lot of division about how to go forward - and that by far the most reasonable move now is a second referendum to better establish the available options regarding Brexit and the popular support for those.
And somewhere in the future, Boris Johnson's reputation is fearing for itself. As well it should. What a mess.
The Channel Four video that I watched had someone say something that appears to be very true. That beings that while the opposition to May's Deal was remarkably strong, the reasons for opposing her are all over the place and often at odds with each other. There may easily be more confusion now than before the vote.
I must say, Theresa May surprised me with her final speech. Whatever else she may be, she is capable of speaking with grace and reason even in such an obviously emotional moment. It can't be easy to be so blatantly blamed by her whole country.
The situation shows the limitations of the British system of an official speaker for the opposition fairly well. There is what seems to be an explicit, structural assumption that opposing May must result in hearing Corbyn, and that is not necessarily a good thing.
I wish I knew why Corbyn is focusing on the No Confidence vote instead of proposing a second vote to help and settle things at least a bit. He is clearly hoping to gain prestige and influence from May's fiasco, but it looks like a neglect to address the issues at hand.
Now would be an excellent time for a Blue Vests movement to speak out aloud and clearly in the UK, since Corbyn regrettably will not. Or, I suppose, for North Ireland and Scotland to begin new, exciting phases of their existences.
If I understood correctly, at some point between now and Friday there will almost certainly be a new vote about whether the Parlament still acknowledges Theresa May as a legitimate chief of the Executive. Yesterday's results may mean that she will lose it, but that is by no means a given, since her opposers are even more at odds with each other. For the same reason, the actual results of a formal repudiation are very much unclear. All the more so because May can't be repelled by her own party until December.
At this point it really feels (to me anyway) that the sensible thing to do would be state the obvious - that there is a lot of division about how to go forward - and that by far the most reasonable move now is a second referendum to better establish the available options regarding Brexit and the popular support for those.
And somewhere in the future, Boris Johnson's reputation is fearing for itself. As well it should. What a mess.
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Remainers in good faith: they believe Brexit will be a catastrophe (instead of a Renaissance) because they have been brainwashed by Soros, Rothschilds, Bankers
Remainers in bad faith: Soros, Rothschilds, Bankers
You fail to understand how criminal the EU is.
I'm sorry for that
Notanumber
A Free Man
The term Remoaner is self-explanatory.
You can call us Gammons if it makes you feel better. Class it as a form of therapy.
Remainers are the ones that accept that they lost the peoples vote.
You think? Or should i rephrase that... You think!
The EU did not vote for brexit, that was little englanders who dont have the courage to admit they messed up so try shifting the blame onto their hatred
The EU did not vote down the deal that would have at least reduced the uk problems that was little englanders who dont have the courage to admit they messed up so try shifting the blame onto their hatred
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I repeat, again, 37% of the population is hardly the peoples vote
Evidence?
Nope, most had never heared of soros and rothschild before the brexit vote so why tell the untruth. Anh right you are a brexit supporter
Notanumber
A Free Man
The difference between you and me is that I do not hate the other side.
I think they are deluded but that is not the same as hatred.
Altfish
Veteran Member
You don't hate them but you insist on calling the other side in derogatory terms and post hateful videos about Muslims
You dont? "Other side" thats kind of divisive talk right there.
Deluded as in they dont agree with you?
Seems to me the little englanders have been deluded but many are now begining to realise the consequences of their actions.
Even you have changed your view on immigrants recently from keep them out to let a few in to carry out the menial jobs little englanders wont demean ourselves to do. Even you are concerned where the next bmw (or whatever) is coming from, even you are concerned over the cost of everyday living.
Nailed it
Notanumber
A Free Man
This is a proper Leader.
Could have fooled me. "Remoaners", really?
You are consistent, if nothing else.
For good or worse, you insist that Brexit is necessary, or at least better than remaining in the EU.
I can't claim to understand why, but I have to give you that much.
How did you feel about May's Deal that was rejected yesterday?
What do you expect and hope to happen now?
There is also the very significant fact that the referendum was a whole two years ago.
It would be legitimate to gauge opinions again even if there was no question about how clear and transparent the previous referendum was made.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Nearer 3 years now!