whats your beef with brexit?

[Notanumber]

I'm not a great fan of Macron but he has Brexit right...

"In the time we are living, it says a lot about what referendums which seemed nice to create.

It’s a referendum that has been manipulated. Manipulated from the outside by a lot of what we call fake news, where everything and anything was said and now they are being told ‘figure it out yourselves'.

Result: it is not true.

‘We [the Leave campaign] have lied to the people, and what they [the public] have chosen is not possible.'

Good luck to the representatives of the nation who has to implement a thing which doesn’t exist and explain to the people: ‘You have voted on a thing, we lied to you"

First option, the British go towards a no-deal so they say there is no agreement. It scares everybody. The first losers of this are the British people.

So, in this context they will have to - without any transition period - renegotiate a future relationship.

I can tell you very solemnly that in the framework of this future relationship, the interests of French fishing will be defended and we will have to negotiate a transition period with them anyway because the British can't afford not to have a plane taking off or landing in their country and 70 per cent of their supermarket supplies comes from continental Europe."

The second option, he said, is that “they tell us, ‘we’ll try to improve what we can get from the Europeans and we’ll get back for a vote'".” But Macron insists he’s reached the “maximum” of what France can offer with the deal.

“There is a third option," he proposed. "Which is - I think they will start with the second option and it will end with the third option. Let's bet. I take my chances, which is to say, 'We will take more time', and they will ask to have a longer transition period to renegotiate something.

"So they will take more time. Maybe they will step over the European elections to find something else. But, in the time we are living, it says a lot about [what] referendums - which seemed nice - can create.”

It says a lot about you that you would even bother to post that.

What he calls fake news is the antidote to elitist spin.

This is why the EU is determined to censor the Internet.

 

[Altfish]

It says a lot about you that you would even bother to post that.

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I dread to think what some of the videos you post on here say about you

 

[Estro Felino]

I dread to think what some of the videos you post on here say about you

u know...I had an English teacher from England, back in the 2001, Mr. Palfreeman. He clearly told us that most British were disappointed in the EU. And it was 18 years ago.

btw....let's hope she means it...

 

[Notanumber]

I dread to think what some of the videos you post on here say about you

How would you know?

You never watch them or so you say.

 

[Altfish]

u know...I had an English teacher from England, back in the 2001, Mr. Palfreeman. He clearly told us that most British were disappointed in the EU. And it was 18 years ago.

btw....let's hope she means it...

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All the Tory press have been running anti-EU stories since 1974; stuff like the bendy banana were all made up stories.
If you are constantly told "It is bad" year after year you start to believe it.

 

[Altfish]

How would you know?

You never watch them or so you say.

When I see the presenter and the websites that you source them from; I don't have to watch them.

 

[Notanumber]

When I see the presenter and the websites that you source them from; I don't have to watch them.

You are beginning to sound like the founding member of the closed mind society.

 

[Altfish]

You are beginning to sound like the founding member of the closed mind society.

No, I just don't have the time to listen to hatemongers repeating debunked ideas again and again.

 

[Altfish]

May I suggest that you order a copy of the Daily Mail this weekend; your mentor Gerrard Batton is, I understand, about to be crucified and hung out to dry.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Are you now saying that you would have been happier if David Cameron had just taken us out of the EU without a vote and later on, the Labour Party gave you a referendum on going back in?

Of course not. I don't think the EU referendum was at all necessary. Cameron fostered this divide in the UK in order to settle factional infighting within the Conservative Party.

The problem for you is I'm not the one here with the problem with multiple referenda. I'm not the one who's scared of offering the public the chance to change their minds based on new information. I'm not the one arguing to prevent that.

Bear in mind that back in 1975 it was the Common Market, not the political quagmire that it has since become.

Aha! So you admit that the vote 1975 was on membership of the same body, even if that body has a different nature to what it did when we first voted to join. So actually yes the vote we had a couple of years ago was the Losers' Vote. You're also forgetting the UK played a big part in making that change happen. We didn't walk into it blindfolded.

Why did southern ireland have to vote twice on accepting the euro or was it staying in the EU?

... really? You're sourcing Yahoo! Answers as your justification for your position?!

All that shows is there are people as ignorant about how the EU works as you. That is not evidence that you are right.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Ireland backs EU's Lisbon Treaty

I'm sure others have mentioned this already, the reason the Republic 'voted twice' is because when they rejected the Treaty the first time, the Irish Government negotiated with Brussels for amendments they found acceptable. Because both the Irish Government and the European Government consulted with one another.

I fail to see why even the Remoaners would want to be attached in any way to the failing EU and their yellow vests.

Because you refuse to take your blinkers off and understand how both the EU and democracy works.

 

[Notanumber]

I just wonder when the Remoaners will be calling on Robert Mugabe for advice on how to rig votes.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I just wonder when the Remoaners will be calling on Robert Mugabe for advice on how to rig votes.

I understand why you want to distract everyone from the fact the Leave campaign cheated and broke the law to win. That's not even covering the fact entire affected groups which were likely to vote Remain were banned from taking part. I wonder why...

Any aspersions you could possibly cast on what the Remain campaign might do in future fail to counter the fact the Quitlers already cheated to win.

Please stop accusing everyone else of what your side did. It is immature, manipulative and it frankly smacks of desperation. But I get it. Your side of the argument is increasingly shown to be deception, jingoism and outright bull****. And all you can fall back on is 'Brexit means Brexit;', 'Remoaners' and 'they need us more than we need them!'.

Facts are never well-received by people such as yourself who are allergic to them. If it conflicts with your pre-conceived notions you merely ignore it as you have done countless times.

I may as well have been playing chess with a pigeon...

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Another part of Project Fear Reality takes a step closer to happening, as confirmed by a Government insider:

Theresa May to consider axing Human Rights Act after Brexit, minister reveals

We've been saying since the beginning this is a possibility in post-Brexit Britain.

 

[Altfish]

Another part of Project Fear Reality takes a step closer to happening, as confirmed by a Government insider:

Theresa May to consider axing Human Rights Act after Brexit, minister reveals

We've been saying since the beginning this is a possibility in post-Brexit Britain.

I saw that too.
As I feared, let's drop all our standards so we are cheap.
We'll be polluting the sea and rivers next

 

[Notanumber]

The Germans are missing us already.

 

[Estro Felino]

 

[Notanumber]

This man says that I am wrong to put my trust in Theresa May and he might be right.

She has a history of telling us one thing and then doing the other.

I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt after Jacob had had a word with her but can a Remainer really change their spots.

Europe is going in the right direction but the EU refuses to budge.

 

[LuisDantas]

This video sounds like one of the best summations possible of my current perception of Brexit and its surrounding controversy and circus.

 

[Notanumber]

No deal is the only way to get a good deal.

No deal is the Brexit backstop.

 

[Estro Felino]

In 2016 Barnier said:

If the deal turns out to be so hard to the British that they will prefer to stay in the union, I will have accomplished my mission- he tells his friends in Summer 2016.
- since most European leaders have this opinion at this time - Brexit must become a form of punishment towards these "deserters" and must dissuade any other member-state from taking this path- it's vital for EU's survival.


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Brexit : les secrets d'un bras de fer historique