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whats your beef with brexit?

Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Altfish said:
If you look at the main pro-Brexit posters on here #Notanumber and #Estro Felino all they do is post videos and news clips from the Bubble, it is trying and boring, I've watched some but it is monotonous and I have better things to do - maybe you are different..we'll see.
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My argument is basically that I fear the EU will become a Federal Europe, that we appear to be heading that way by implementing a continental monetary system, having an EU parliament, suggesting an EU militia &c. These things make me incredibly uncomfortable because I worry that our continent will become like the United States. I am opposed to this and think that our cultures and peoples are simply too diverse for such a project and that we work better as separate nations using trade deals &c., rather than being bound together.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Rival said:
My argument is basically that I fear the EU will become a Federal Europe, that we appear to be heading that way by implementing a continental monetary system, having an EU parliament, suggesting an EU militia &c. These things make me incredibly uncomfortable because I worry that our continent will become like the United States. I am opposed to this and think that our cultures and peoples are simply too diverse for such a project and that we work better as separate nations using trade deals &c., rather than being bound together.
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Firstly, there is a lot wrong with the EU.
But, when the Referendum was called I looked at pros and cons. When the UK joined the EU we were under performing; well behind Italy, France and Germany. Since joining we have boomed (Not all because of the EU but certainly partly because of) and I cannot see us sustaining it after we depart.
We have many opt outs, including from the Euro and Schengen, we were never properly committed to the EU and that's why German and France had most influence...it was our own fault.
The generation before mine had been through two catastrophic world wars; the EU ensured no such events happened in their borders, the falling out makes me think that we do not learn from history.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Rival said:
My argument is basically that I fear the EU will become a Federal Europe, that we appear to be heading that way by implementing a continental monetary system, having an EU parliament, suggesting an EU militia &c. These things make me incredibly uncomfortable because I worry that our continent will become like the United States. I am opposed to this and think that our cultures and peoples are simply too diverse for such a project and that we work better as separate nations using trade deals &c., rather than being bound together.
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More like an oppressive communist bloc than the free USA. At least while Donald is there doing his best for his country.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Altfish said:
Firstly, there is a lot wrong with the EU.
But, when the Referendum was called I looked at pros and cons. When the UK joined the EU we were under performing; well behind Italy, France and Germany. Since joining we have boomed (Not all because of the EU but certainly partly because of) and I cannot see us sustaining it after we depart.
We have many opt outs, including from the Euro and Schengen, we were never properly committed to the EU and that's why German and France had most influence...it was our own fault.
The generation before mine had been through two catastrophic world wars; the EU ensured no such events happened in their borders, the falling out makes me think that we do not learn from history.
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Some of us can realize the prognosis.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Altfish said:
Firstly, there is a lot wrong with the EU.
But, when the Referendum was called I looked at pros and cons. When the UK joined the EU we were under performing; well behind Italy, France and Germany. Since joining we have boomed (Not all because of the EU but certainly partly because of) and I cannot see us sustaining it after we depart.
We have many opt outs, including from the Euro and Schengen, we were never properly committed to the EU and that's why German and France had most influence...it was our own fault.
The generation before mine had been through two catastrophic world wars; the EU ensured no such events happened in their borders, the falling out makes me think that we do not learn from history.
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Britain entered a trade organization called EEC, not EU.
Britain became euro-skeptic after Maastricht and Lisbon, when those treaties revealed the crazy plan of a European super-state.

By the by, if there is hard Brexit, this EU collapses in 2 seconds.
It's mathematical: if there is no banking agreement, the ECB is finished
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
Britain entered a trade organization called EEC, not EU.
Britain became euro-skeptic after Maastricht and Lisbon, when those treaties revealed the crazy plan of a European super-state.

By the by, if there is hard Brexit, this EU collapses in 2 seconds.
It's mathematical: if there is no banking agreement, the ECB is finished
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You may be correct, I hope not but WW3 gets nearer when the likes of that happen. Bad times..
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
I voted for UKIP in the General Election before last, but because I was hoodwinked by the so called ‘Bl**dy difficult woman’ I voted for her in the last election.

The moral of the story is, never trust a Remainer –

 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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LEAVER: I want an omelette.

REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.

LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]

REMAINER: They’re in the cake.

LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.

REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.

LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.

REMAINER: Icing is good.

LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.

DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.

DAVID CAMERON: OK.

DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.

LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?

REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.

LEAVER: Well, get them out.

EU: It’s our cake.

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.

REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?

LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.

REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?

LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.

THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.

REMAINER: How?

THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.

REMAINER: Yeah, but…

LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.

EU: It’s our cake.

REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.

LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.

REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.

LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.

REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?

LEAVER: You lost, get over it.

THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.

REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?

THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.

REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.

EU: It’s our cake.

LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.

REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.

LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.

REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.

LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
The Brussels clowns are playing with fire.
If they reject our budget, we will veto any decision against Brexit, supporting UK and declaring war on Brussels...
Juncker the drunkard is desperate


Warning for EU: Brexit and Italy could push Brussels bloc into 'DISASTER recession'
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And they accuse the Remainers of playing "Project Fear"

The Populists will not be happy until Europe is back in the 1850s, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the resurrection of Prussia.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Altfish said:
And they accuse the Remainers of playing "Project Fear"

The Populists will not be happy until Europe is back in the 1850s, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the resurrection of Prussia.
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No...it's sufficient we restore the EEC, the pre-Maastricht Europe.
But first we need to undo this EU
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Altfish said:
And they accuse the Remainers of playing "Project Fear"

The Populists will not be happy until Europe is back in the 1850s, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the resurrection of Prussia.
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I hate what the media have done to the word populist

Populist : a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.

What it seems to mean now is

Extremist or fundimentalist determined to turn back the clock at the expense of ordinary people
 
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