whats your beef with brexit?

[Altfish]

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I think it is about time we had a reminder of some of the quotes from the last two and a half years...

1) Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be "one of the easiest in human history.' Liam Fox, July 2017

2) 'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage May 2016.

3) “Not partial membership of the European Union, associate membership of the European Union, or anything that leaves us half-in, half-out.' Theresa May, Jan 2017, setting out her vision for Brexit

4) “Brexit was a war. We won.” Arron Banks, April 2017, recalling his purchase of the referendum result.

5) “It was me that got us into this mess, I will get us out of it.” Theresa May, June 2017, to her troops after destroying the Tory majority.

6) 'The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.' Michael Gove, April 2016

7) ‘'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.' John Redwood, July 2016

8) 'What we’ve got to do as a government & as a parliamentary party is show we are bigger than the sum of our parts. If we take a bit more of that approach, a bit more unity of purpose, we’ll get a great result out of Brexit. We’ll also unite the country.' Dominic Raab, June 2018

9) 'I will be advocating Vote Leave because I want a better deal for the people of this country, to save them money and to take control.' Boris Johnson, Feb 2016

10) 'It is like threading the eye of a needle. If you have a good eye and a steady hand, it is easy enough,' David Davis, December 2016, dismissing fears a Brexit deal might be difficult

11) 'Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market,' Daniel Hannan, May 2015

12) 'There is no reason why the UK’s only land border should be any less open after Brexit than it is today.” Theresa Villiers, April 2016, on the Irish issue

13) 'If we Vote Leave we will be able to stop handing over so much money to the EU and we would be able to spend our money on priorities here in the UK like abolishing prescription charges”. Gisela Stuart, April 2016

14) “Without our EU budget contributions, we could give everyone a 60 per cent council tax cut.” Daniel Hannan, September 2015

15) “If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger.' Michael Gove, May 2016

16) 'Article 50 has to be invoked now so that we negotiate an exit from European Union,' Jeremy Corbyn, Brexiteer fifth columnist in Remain camp, June 2016 day after the vote (h/t @RobSkilbeck)

17) ‘Within 2 years, before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, & therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at point of exit.’ David Davis, July 2016

18) ‘I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019’. David Davis, January 2017

19) ‘The idea that we’ll do a transitional arrangement where you’re still in, paying money, still with free movement of people – that we’ll do the long-term deal in slow motion … That is plainly not what we’re after.’ David Davis, March 2016

21) The Conservative party will ensure that we fulfil our duty in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country go forward together.’ Theresa May, 2017

22) 'Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in 'an afternoon over a cup of coffee,' Gerard Batten, UKIP Brexit spokesman, February 2017

23) 'It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal,' Paul Nutall, UKIP leader, Jan 2017

24) Brexit 'might even mean that there is less space for anger in our politics.' Douglas Carswell, UKIP MP, March 2017

25) 'I am confident that Theresa May and her team can deliver an arrangement that suits both the UK and the members of the EU.' Iain Duncan Smith, March 2017

26) 'There are good grounds for a new government team to offer the public a voice on what the deal looks like. And we obviously wouldn’t oppose that... I think there’s a strong democratic case for it.' Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave campaign director, Jan 2016

27) 'If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”. David Davis, 2012, discussing the EU

28) 'While parents worried about childcare, getting the kids to school, balancing work and family life - we were banging on about Europe.' David Cameron, 2006


Courtesy of The Independent

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I was disappointed with Raab when he took on the job after Davis resigned but he proved that he still had principles when he realised that the Remainers had stitched Davis up.

The Remainers did not force Davis to not perform any kind of cost analysis as to how a no-deal Brexit would affect the UK economy for the first year and a bit he was in charge.

Stop blaming us for your choosing to hand this whole thing to a cavalcade of ****-ups and grow up already.

You won; take ownership of it and act like an adult for once.

 

[Estro Felino]

 

[Altfish]

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You're still posting from The Bubble

 

[Estro Felino]

You're still posting from The Bubble

Bubble or not, the EU will start to crumble before Brexit.
Italy has secret negotiations with many Slavic countries going on.
I am afraid Macron and Merkel are more and more isolated

 

[Altfish]

Bubble or not, the EU will start crumble before Brexit.
Italy has secret negotiations with many Slavic countries going on.
I am afraid Macron and Merkel are more and more isolated

The Eu may well collapse and that will be a great shame; I won't be proud of the part that my country played in its downfall.
Do we not learn? It is better to be together than apart; the right love conflict, division and fear and that what they will get. The dots are being lined up for another war.

 

[Estro Felino]

More from the Bubble @Altfish
this time...Italian Nationalist like me

 

[Altfish]

More from the Bubble @Altfish
this time...Italian Nationalist like me

Even the bonkers Tory party are not going to elect Boris - his time has gone. He proved himself to be an incompetent buffoon. He ran away from the key Brexit job he was given. He even ran away from making a vote in Parliament on an issue he'd promised to support.

But they've finally got some money back on another Boris fiasco...
London water cannon sold at £300k loss
...although at a big loss.

 

[Notanumber]

Who would have thought that a Conservative Government would ever sell their country down the river? Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher must be turning in their graves.

One has to wonder how Britain can ever hold its head up again.

Unless people wise up, the UK is going to be in chains forever.

 

[Altfish]

Who would have thought that a Conservative Government would ever sell their country down the river? Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher must be turning in their graves.

One has to wonder how Britain can ever hold its head up again.

Unless people wise up, the UK is going to be in chains forever.

Is that the same Winston Churchill who said...
‘Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible.’

 

[Notanumber]

Is that the same Winston Churchill who said...
‘Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible.’

I cannot believe that he had anything like the same mindset as Theresa the Appeaser/Remainer!

 

[Altfish]

I cannot believe that he had anything like the same mindset as Theresa the Appeaser/Remainer!

Another Leaver blaming anyone but themselves for the mess that Brexit is proving to be.

It really is poor, they either run away (I give you Johnson, Davis & Raab) or criticise with no tangible alternative (Farage & Rees Mogg)

 

[Notanumber]

If only Theresa the Appeaser/Remainer had the same passion for her country as this up and coming politician –

 

[Altfish]

If only Theresa the Appeaser/Remainer had the same passion for her country as this up and coming politician –

Good Grief, when will you Leavers get out of the insular Bubble; the best you can do is post yet another video of Anne Maria Waters. Even UKIP thought she was a nutcase.
You do realise, she is Irish, not British.

And all this rubbish about representing the people and standing up for Britain got her a grand total of 266 votes in the Lewisham East by-election earlier this year; this was less than UKIP, Women's Equality and the Green Party. The winners, Labour, got 50 times more votes. On a positive note, she did beat The Monster Raving Loony Party.

She has virtually no support.

 

[Notanumber]

Good Grief, when will you Leavers get out of the insular Bubble; the best you can do is post yet another video of Anne Maria Waters. Even UKIP thought she was a nutcase.
You do realise, she is Irish, not British.

And all this rubbish about representing the people and standing up for Britain got her a grand total of 266 votes in the Lewisham East by-election earlier this year; this was less than UKIP, Women's Equality and the Green Party. The winners, Labour, got 50 times more votes. On a positive note, she did beat The Monster Raving Loony Party.

She has virtually no support.

She deserves much more support than the Remainers.

Hopefully, the public will realise this before it is too late.

She is a straight talker - Dublin woman bids to become Ukip leader on anti-immigrant platform

Despite being born in the Irish capital, where she attended St Joseph's Secondary school in Stoneybatter, Ms Waters says she has "always felt the deepest sense of belonging in Britain" in her campaign video.

She adds: "I am a patriot, and I believe in protecting the British people at all costs...if I had to really define myself, I would simply say that I am passionately, loyally, resolutely, and proudly British."

From the comments section -

Have been following what Anne Marie Waters has been saying, and unfortunately have to state that the reported comment "Her campaign manifesto also outlines plans to introduce policies that would allow for the internment of Muslims", is misleading. What AMW has repeatedly called for, whether one agrees with it or not, is for the internment of known Jihadis, not Muslims per se. Unfortunately I often see similar standards of reporting, which can only raise the question as to whether some journalists are deliberately misquoting to try and mislead and influence their readers. For pities sake try and least be accurate in your reporting so that the public can make their own informed judgements for what people like AMW are promoting. To do otherwise, if deliberate, can only be described as disingenuous!

 

[Altfish]

She deserves much more support than the Remainers.

Hopefully, the public will realise this before it is too late.

Ha! When she goes before the public they give their yerdict...which is a massive NO

Despite being born in the Irish capital, where she attended St Joseph's Secondary school in Stoneybatter, Ms Waters says she has "always felt the deepest sense of belonging in Britain" in her campaign video.

She adds: "I am a patriot, and I believe in protecting the British people at all costs...if I had to really define myself, I would simply say that I am passionately, loyally, resolutely, and proudly British."

She has lived and worked in Germany and Holland and only moved to the UK in 2003; so after trying to joining UKIP and Labour she finally had to form her own party. So loyalty is hardly her strong point!

A total hate monger and failure

 

[Notanumber]

As Jeff says –

In a document called 'Fact - NOT Friction' published today, the Tory Eurosceptic European Research Group headed by Tory Brexiteer MP, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and the pro Leave Global Britain, explode the myths surrounding our leaving the customs union and trading on WTO terms.
The foreword to the piece is written by the Director of Reid Steel, Simon Boyd, who is also a Fellow of the Institute of Directors and a member of the CBI manufacturing council. And just to set the tone, in his foreword he says: "In my experience trading with our European friends is infinitely more difficult than it is to trade with other countries outside the EU.
It has, for instance, been easier for us to export to Mongolia than to France, despite the fact we were founded there in 1919."
The publication itself sets out to dispel the myths that the UK must stay in a customs union with the EU to prevent the need for a hard border across Ireland or a customs barrier in the Irish Sea which would, claim the Remainers, lead to hugely expensive and delaying trade frictions along the borders. Now it lists seventeen myths and deals with them one by one. Here's a few to give you a flavour:
Myth One:
"Customs declarations are pieces of paper that are examined and compared with loads at the border." The reality is that just about 100% of customs declarations for goods arriving in the UK are made electronically ahead of arrival at the port.
Myth Two:
"Customs declarations at Channel ports will require checks and delays at the border" The reality here, is that there will be no requirement for more checks on goods entering the UK than at present as a result of Brexit, as explained by the CEO of Customs and Revenue, Jon Thompson, when giving evidence to the Select Committee.
Myth Four:
"WTO rules require member states to operate border controls" The whole purpose of the WTO is to facilitate international trade, not hinder it and those that make this claim don't seem to be able to provide any text from the WTO rules to back the claim up.
Myth Fifteen:
"Delays in clearing UK exports through Calais are likely to cause a backlog of lorries on the M20 if we leave without a deal (or even with a conventional free trade deal)" Do we really think EU member states would deliberately slow down our exports in to their country. It would be a breach of at least three treaty obligations of the WTO, The Trade Facilitation Agreement and Article 8 of the EU's very own Constitution. And anyway, if one EU member state port played silly games, ports in other member states have the capacity and would be keen to relieve them of that trade.
Anyway, this paper shows that all these doom and gloom claims by the Remainers who are desperate to turn the UK into an EU colony by whatever means they can, are founded on nothing but hot air and downright untruths.
So go and give it a read and get yourself prepared to swat away all that Remoaning!
The storm over Theresa May's proposed deal is still raging on, with the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sánchez, saying he will reject the deal unless Madrid gets its own way over Gibraltar. "As things stand today if there are no changes regarding Gibraltar, Spain will vote no on Brexit." He said.
Well my message is, be my guest and reject away - WTO here we come.
He also said: "As a country we cannot assume that whatever happens in the future with Gibraltar would be negotiated by the UK and EU - it will have to be negotiated between Spain and the UK." That's one big crack developing there and as I said in a video earlier today it might be why our Theresa is heading off to Brussels tomorrow.
And another crack that has appeared, is the one between the DUP and the Tory government. Last night the DUP fired a warning political salvo by siding with Labour on a budget vote and abstaining on amendments to a finance bill. Under the terms of their confidence and supply agreement, which cost the government £1 billion of which the DUP has, I understand, drawn down about half of, the DUP is meant to support Tory government budget and confidence votes. But DUP MP Sammy Wilson said that the PM's proposals breached a fundamental guarantee made to his party and that they had to do something to show their displeasure without actually ending the arrangement.

 

[Altfish]

As Jeff says –

In a document called 'Fact - NOT Friction' published today, the Tory Eurosceptic European Research Group headed by Tory Brexiteer MP, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and the pro Leave Global Britain, explode the myths surrounding our leaving the customs union and trading on WTO terms.
The foreword to the piece is written by the Director of Reid Steel, Simon Boyd, who is also a Fellow of the Institute of Directors and a member of the CBI manufacturing council. And just to set the tone, in his foreword he says: "In my experience trading with our European friends is infinitely more difficult than it is to trade with other countries outside the EU.
It has, for instance, been easier for us to export to Mongolia than to France, despite the fact we were founded there in 1919."
The publication itself sets out to dispel the myths that the UK must stay in a customs union with the EU to prevent the need for a hard border across Ireland or a customs barrier in the Irish Sea which would, claim the Remainers, lead to hugely expensive and delaying trade frictions along the borders. Now it lists seventeen myths and deals with them one by one. Here's a few to give you a flavour:
Myth One:
"Customs declarations are pieces of paper that are examined and compared with loads at the border." The reality is that just about 100% of customs declarations for goods arriving in the UK are made electronically ahead of arrival at the port.
Myth Two:
"Customs declarations at Channel ports will require checks and delays at the border" The reality here, is that there will be no requirement for more checks on goods entering the UK than at present as a result of Brexit, as explained by the CEO of Customs and Revenue, Jon Thompson, when giving evidence to the Select Committee.
Myth Four:
"WTO rules require member states to operate border controls" The whole purpose of the WTO is to facilitate international trade, not hinder it and those that make this claim don't seem to be able to provide any text from the WTO rules to back the claim up.
Myth Fifteen:
"Delays in clearing UK exports through Calais are likely to cause a backlog of lorries on the M20 if we leave without a deal (or even with a conventional free trade deal)" Do we really think EU member states would deliberately slow down our exports in to their country. It would be a breach of at least three treaty obligations of the WTO, The Trade Facilitation Agreement and Article 8 of the EU's very own Constitution. And anyway, if one EU member state port played silly games, ports in other member states have the capacity and would be keen to relieve them of that trade.
Anyway, this paper shows that all these doom and gloom claims by the Remainers who are desperate to turn the UK into an EU colony by whatever means they can, are founded on nothing but hot air and downright untruths.
So go and give it a read and get yourself prepared to swat away all that Remoaning!
The storm over Theresa May's proposed deal is still raging on, with the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sánchez, saying he will reject the deal unless Madrid gets its own way over Gibraltar. "As things stand today if there are no changes regarding Gibraltar, Spain will vote no on Brexit." He said.
Well my message is, be my guest and reject away - WTO here we come.
He also said: "As a country we cannot assume that whatever happens in the future with Gibraltar would be negotiated by the UK and EU - it will have to be negotiated between Spain and the UK." That's one big crack developing there and as I said in a video earlier today it might be why our Theresa is heading off to Brussels tomorrow.
And another crack that has appeared, is the one between the DUP and the Tory government. Last night the DUP fired a warning political salvo by siding with Labour on a budget vote and abstaining on amendments to a finance bill. Under the terms of their confidence and supply agreement, which cost the government £1 billion of which the DUP has, I understand, drawn down about half of, the DUP is meant to support Tory government budget and confidence votes. But DUP MP Sammy Wilson said that the PM's proposals breached a fundamental guarantee made to his party and that they had to do something to show their displeasure without actually ending the arrangement.

You're still in the Bubble!
For a change listen to someone like James O'Brian or 3 Blokes in a Pub

We shall soon know the truth when we crash out and start our trading relationship with Mongolia - what is it we buy/sell there?

btw I've not watched the video as I'm at work but that bloke at the start is the archetypal Gammon

 

[Estro Felino]

Even the bonkers Tory party are not going to elect Boris - his time has gone. He proved himself to be an incompetent buffoon. He ran away from the key Brexit job he was given. He even ran away from making a vote in Parliament on an issue he'd promised to support.

Who is your favorite , then?
Corbyn?

 

[Altfish]

Who is your favorite , then?
Corbyn? The guy who supports the animal world that attacks Israel?

No one, I feel totally disenfranchised. I'd vote Liberal but it is a waste of time.