whats your beef with brexit?

[Notanumber]

What were those elections that gave Farage, Batton, Collins, etc. a good pension and expense account? Oh, and a seat in Brussels

They were political puppets designed to give the EU the semblance of being democratic.

Do not forget that the EU had money to burn while they had the UK as a generous source of income.

 

[Estro Felino]

I love my country which is why I recognise a hard Brexit is the best advert for Scottish independence going at the moment. Not sure why I should support a successful hard Brexit since it involves the Tories steering the UK off the economic cliff in order to turn us into a low-wage tax haven for the super-rich. That said, it is causing more and more of my countrymen to see sense at last and accept that an independent Scotland is the way forward.

The Leave side didn't think things the consequences of their actions and idiotic position through at all; they had no plan whatsoever. Things are so bad we've got idiot Brexiteers trying to blame their lack of any coherent plans, strategies or arguments on Remainers because that's all they can do: blame everyone else for their decisions. No matter how many times I'm told 'you should support Brexit', I've never been given any reason to. A bad idea is a bad idea is a bad idea.

This EU is nothing but a clownery...it's pure farce.


Why are British people so disappointed in the EU? Because treaty after treaty, it slowly stole sovereignty from them.
So in other terms:
1) UK deserves to exit without paying any "ransom"
2)It's UK who has the right to decide the terms of its relations with the EU countries post-Brexit.
Because Germany, Belgium, Italy are all net exporters towards UK, so we're not in the condition to impose the British anything. They are.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

They were political puppets designed to give the EU the semblance of being democratic.

Do not forget that the EU had money to burn while they had the UK as a generous source of income.

Actually, if you include the rebate, the UK is donating far less per GNI than any other country in the EU:

SOURCE: BBC NEWS | Europe | Paying for the EU budget

 

[ImmortalFlame]

This EU is nothing but a Neapolitan clownery...it's pure farce.


Why are British people so disappointed in the EU? Because treaty after treaty, it slowly stole sovereignty from them.

Actually, it's because a huge proportion of the UK public are extremely ill-informed and easily mislead.

 

[Altfish]

Actually, if YUO include the rebate, the UK is donating far less per GNI than any other country in the EU:

SOURCE: BBC NEWS | Europe | Paying for the EU budget

Yes, but that was Fake News during the referendum

 

[Altfish]

Actually, it's because a huge proportion of the UK public are extremely ill-informed and easily mislead.

I should add that many of the politicians and their funders that are driving us off this cliff are equally badly informed.

 

[Notanumber]

Actually, if you include the rebate, the UK is donating far less per GNI than any other country in the EU:

SOURCE: BBC NEWS | Europe | Paying for the EU budget

The UK was the second largest net contributor back in 2007.

The EU will miss our money when we have gone.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The UK was the second largest net contributor back in 2007.

The EU will miss our money when we have gone.

Did you completely ignore what I wrote?

 

[Estro Felino]

His Majesty the sultan of London

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This EU is nothing but a clownery...it's pure farce.

Almost as much of a farce as the state Italy's economy would be in without EU financial assistance.

Why are British people so disappointed in the EU? Because treaty after treaty, it slowly stole sovereignty from them.

Except the principle examples of how this was done were shown to be incorrect. Hardcore Leavers constantly tell us our sovereignty is being stolen in one breath while in the next they're whining about how May is surrendering our sovereignty to Brussels by not accomplishing the impossible.

Do we have sovereignty to surrender or do we not? Pick one.

Also, for 'British people' read a minority of the electorate made to look like a majority by a rigged advisory poll.

A country whose sovereignty has been stolen would not be able to leave the EU of its own volition. Scotland currently has such a position within the UK - we can't legally organise a referendum on independence unless Westminster okays it and Westminster is currently attempting to grab power over whole sections of Scots Law which is a breach of the Treaty of Union - so don't try to condescend to me as to what sovereignty is or is not.

So in other terms:
1) UK deserves to exit without paying any "ransom"

No wonder your country's economy is in the state it's in if an attitude like yours is an indicator of that held by your government. The UK pledged money to pay for services and projects being worked on in the EU. Why shouldn't we pay money we've already promised to pay? Who do you think will want to make trade agreements with a nation that reneges on its own international financial commitments in such bad faith?

2)It's UK who has the right to decide the terms of its relations with the EU countries post-Brexit.
Because Germany, Belgium, Italy are all net exporters towards UK, so we're not in the condition to impose the British anything. They are.

The EU 27 are in a much better position to absorb the shock of Brexit than the UK is because they'll still have close economic ties to one another. The UK will not; and will have to renegotiate its trade deals around the world from a much much weaker position than it currently has. You're assuming that Germany, Belgium & Italy won't be able to find other, cheaper markets for their exports than the UK, either within the EU or without.mean maybe Italy won't since your government is so bad at running your economy.

Your position is like saying that a homeless man is in a position of power because the soup kitchen that keeps him fed is a net exporter of food to him so he has the opportunity to demand what he wants from them.

 

[Altfish]

Why are British people so disappointed in the EU? Because treaty after treaty, it slowly stole sovereignty from them.
So in other terms:
1) UK deserves to exit without paying any "ransom"

The 'exit money' we have to pay is for project we have agreed to partake in, Other member states have also committed money and the projects are now short of funding that we have contracted to.

2)It's UK who has the right to decide the terms of its relations with the EU countries post-Brexit.
Because Germany, Belgium, Italy are all net exporters towards UK, so we're not in the condition to impose the British anything. They are.

But I thought you are constantly telling us that only the EU can make trade deals with non-EU countries; so if you are correct, then there is your answer the 27 will get a better deal sticking together.

 

[Notanumber]

Is the EU going to survive long enough to get the £39 billion of us?

I bet they wish they had their EU army ready to subdue the nationals.

 

[Estro Felino]

Almost as much of a farce as the state Italy's economy would be in without EU financial assistance.

Financial assistance? We are not Spain...we are net contributors...so explain me what this financial assistance consists in.

Except the principle examples of how this was done were shown to be incorrect. Hardcore Leavers constantly tell us our sovereignty is being stolen in one breath while in the next they're whining about how May is surrendering our sovereignty to Brussels by not accomplishing the impossible.

The Checkers deal is a start- but it's not what people voted for.

A country whose sovereignty has been stolen would not be able to leave the EU of its own volition. Scotland currently has such a position within the UK - we can't legally organise a referendum on independence unless Westminster okays it and Westminster is currently attempting to grab power over whole sections of Scots Law which is a breach of the Treaty of Union - so don't try to condescend to me as to what sovereignty is or is not.

Sovereignty is incompatible with the European Commission...an undemocratic technocratic entity whose members have ties with a banking élite, so their masters are those bankers...they could care less of the EU countries.
Juncker has periodic, official dinners with that slimy serpent called George Soros. This suffices.

No wonder your country's economy is in the state it's in if an attitude like yours is an indicator of that held by your government. The UK pledged money to pay for services and projects being worked on in the EU. Why shouldn't we pay money we've already promised to pay? Who do you think will want to make trade agreements with a nation that reneges on its own international financial commitments in such bad faith?

We don't need the British "ransom" (£39 billion) since we're net contributors...maybe other countries like Greece do.

...we are the best at economy...in the 80s we surpassed Germany at industrial growth thanks to our net exports, to our socialist state (the IRI formula also known as state capitalism), to our devalued currency.
That's why the Germans have decided to boycott us with the treaty of Maastricht, with the Euro and the Andreatta-Van Miert agreement.
They're envious. They always were since the Roman Empire.

Spoiler

80s: Italy surpasses Germany as for industrial growth
1992: Maastricht. Germany (that leads the EU) imposes Italy to dismantle its assets through the Andreatta-Van Miert agreement
90s: Italian productivity drops

Germany will pay for what she did to us

The EU 27 are in a much better position to absorb the shock of Brexit than the UK is because they'll still have close economic ties to one another. The UK will not; and will have to renegotiate its trade deals around the world from a much much weaker position than it currently has. You're assuming that Germany, Belgium & Italy won't be able to find other, cheaper markets for their exports than the UK, either within the EU or without.mean maybe Italy won't since your government is so bad at running your economy.

Your position is like saying that a homeless man is in a position of power because the soup kitchen that keeps him fed is a net exporter of food to him so he has the opportunity to demand what he wants from them.

Btw...this EU is rotten to the core.
We will not rest until every treaty, especially Maastricht and Lisbon is rewritten.

We will create a new Europe of Nations, destroying the decadent Europe of bankers

 

[LuisDantas]

There is a person named Ken Mifsud Bonnici answering about Brexit somewhere else.

I find his answers and explanations very readable, well informed and reasonable.

One of the resources that he offered is this list of refutations.

European Commission in the UK - European Commission

I particularly recommend this post.
https://qr.ae/TUtFVa

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Did you completely ignore what I wrote?

Of course! That's what he's famous for.

 

[Altfish]

You think Fake News is a Trump invention, well these are headlines from our fearless and predominantly anti EU press..


EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph

Sun readers I talk to still quote the 'bent bananas' lie that was invented by Boris Johnson.

Is it any wonder the less well educated UK public don't like the EU.

 

[Altfish]

I assume #Notanumber is missing as he is on the Gammon March in London today.

 

[Estro Felino]

I assume #Notanumber is missing as he is on the Gammon March in London today.

Katie Hopkins is missing because she came here to see our Matthew

 

[Notanumber]

There is a person named Ken Mifsud Bonnici answering about Brexit somewhere else.

I find his answers and explanations very readable, well informed and reasonable.

One of the resources that he offered is this list of refutations.

European Commission in the UK - European Commission

I particularly recommend this post.
https://qr.ae/TUtFVa

The UK is sick and fed up of paying for what previous generations did.

The UK was instrumental in saving Europe from oppression in its recent history.

Has Panama become a vassal state of the USA?

The UK has considerably more spending power than Panama.

How many other powerful nations would accept taxation without representation?

Once we enter the backstop, we will be the minion of 27 countries of which many of those are contributing far less than the UK.

The backstop is a trap that only a fool would accept.

The UK should leave on WTO rules and use the £39 billion and the rest as a buffer until trade deals are settled.

Parliament should be very careful not to cheat the electorate.

 

[Notanumber]

I assume #Notanumber is missing as he is on the Gammon March in London today.

Come off it, you would have gone if your knee had let you.