When a sitting president essentially states that half the country is "garbage".

[Clizby Wampuscat]

If you watch BIden's garbage comment video close and watch his eyes, it looks like he was reading from a teleprompter.

The claim was the comedian was using a teleprompter, not Biden.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you think it's lying to point out that Biden has a stutter and clarified what he tried to say?

No. I don't believe his clarification makes any sense.

 

[We Never Know]

The claim was the comedian was using a teleprompter, not Biden.

Right. Don't know if the comedian was but it looks like Biden was.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Trump's statement on October 4 identifying that immigrants crossing our southern borders are responsible for 13,000 murders. After that it's just a matter compare how many murders have been committed in the United states and some simple math.

Now are you going to be honest enough to answer the question or are you just going to deny and distract?

So getting the pertinent information for your claim is denial and distraction? And you never provided and sources for your claim.

 

[Argentbear]

So getting the pertinent information for your claim is denial and distraction? And you never provided and sources for your claim.

This is denial and distraction. I would have been shocked beyond words if you had done anything else.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

This is denial and distraction. I would have been shocked beyond words if you had done anything else.

Show me where Trump said this? That is all I am asking. How is asking for you to give good evidence for your claim denial?

 

[Quagmire]

Trump's statement on October 4 identifying that immigrants crossing our southern borders are responsible for 13,000 murders. After that it's just a matter compare how many murders have been committed in the United states and some simple math.

Now are you going to be honest enough to answer the question or are you just going to deny and distract?

Here's what he actually said:

"Former President Donald Trump has recently claimed that the Biden administration allowed 13,000 immigrants convicted of murder into the U.S. and allowed them to "roam free." This figure stems from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data showing about 13,000 non-citizens with homicide convictions on its "non-detained docket." However, the Department of Homeland Security clarified that this number represents cases accumulated over the last 40 years, including individuals who entered during previous administrations, including Trump’s. These individuals may currently be in prison or under supervision by local or state authorities, not simply "free" as implied.

Thus, the claim that these 13,000 individuals entered recently or specifically under Biden’s administration is misleading, as this figure reflects a long-term aggregate rather than recent arrivals or new admissions under current policies. Furthermore, the “non-detained” status in ICE records often means they are not in ICE detention, but they may still be held by other authorities in various capacities.

For more detail, see sources like Newsweek and 9ne
ws."

Other than that, I can't find any reference that could even be considered distorted version of what you're claiming.

 

[Quagmire]

Show me where Trump said this? That is all I am asking. How is asking for you to give good evidence for your claim denial?

He didn't. See my last post

Edit: What Trump did say has been determined to be innaccurate, but it's not what @Argentbear was claiming he said.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

He didn't. See my last post

Edit: What Trump did say has been determined to be innaccurate, but it's not what @Argentbear was claiming he said.

Trump was wrong with what he said about all entered during Harris admin. Argentbear was wrong in saying Trump said all committed the murders in the US. This is why I wanted Argentbear to show me what Trump said. But that is just be denying he said it I guess.

 

[Quagmire]

Trump was wrong with what he said about all entered during Harris admin. Argentbear was wrong in saying Trump said all committed the murders in the US. This is why I wanted Argentbear to show me what Trump said. But that is just be denying he said it I guess.

I know why you asked the question.

I just couldn't understand why you expected to get a straight answer out of the person you were asking.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Obviously you never watched it.

I know, he had it backwards. The hate mongering speakers were first.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I'm not entirely sure anymore, after analyzing each of my own interpersonal relationships in life so far , what exactly constitutes normal empathy toward me, and what I should be sending out in that regard. I don't know if our sort of post-cultural society has a standard for how empathy works, beyond the spread of memetic ideas about it, which seem subject to our constant social evolution.

Even our original concept of culture is very different from what other societies have. Take Japan for instance. In Japan children are reared very differently. Ours are made independent from a young age. The women there keep the babies close for several years and anticipate needs constantly. The personality of the child perhaps develops in a different pattern. I can't say for sure that's what it is, but I think it would be a very different kind of society no matter what the schools and laws and religions were. I also don't think there is much genetic difference if any.

I think is where the misreading comes in, regarding what is going on.. I think it isn't necessarily just about pay, for everyone in the world. Maybe for us it is. In our atomized culture, it is about pay, and pay is fairly equivalent to social power. Other cultures however, may not value atomization nearly so much, and pay therefore might not be quite the same as social power.

Our culture is atomized because of several things. First there is the shift away from tribes and marrying cousins that happens over a thousand years ago. Families become small discrete units. Society becomes different as a result but is not totally atomized. The concept of freedom makes a comeback which has benefits. Then comes the industrial revolution after which most families increasingly cannot operate like small businesses. Home industry fails and is largely (though not entirely) replaced. Instead the man goes to work. Finally the women also enter the workforce so that not only are families discrete but each parent is, and many men and women must combine incomes just to support the food, rent and needs of the kids. The same thing is true of the workforce in much of the world, now. Many families are financially squeezed, and this squeezing leads to a fractious family experience moreso than it would need to be. Fewer people are opting for children, and that is sad.

Also don't forget this that many people have criminal records related to drugs. This is a major employment stigma. The justice system is barely able to keep up, so its always a long humiliating process. Therefore we have many capable people who have drug problems that have been made criminals because of it, potentially creating a huge underworld for criminal enterprise. Imagine becoming addicted, making yourself a criminal and officially a 'Bad person' in the eyes of the courts. What is the best way to support your habit? To sell. Now you will be tempted to find ways around the system. You will become part of a huge network outside of the law, an expanded black market, a huge recruiting area for illegal actors. Altogether 20 million Americans have had a felony in their past. This is a high incarceration rate -- bad for families.

 

[Stonetree]

Blah, blah, blah... all the politicians, all the celebrities, they all make great sums of money just for talking. Meanwhile, I'm learning a trade where I could lose fingers and arms. Who cares. Anybody care? Any of you forumers? No, you'd rather pay attention to all of these tv characters. As for immigrants, well I don't hate the many people I've worked with from all over, but I will say this.. I was working for the temp agency during my twenties right alongside them, in low-skilled labor, but it really seemed like the immigrant men were all able to get married with their temp jobs. In my culture however, I was considered a loser for working that same job. This isn't a criticism of immigrants, good for them that they got relative social success, but I think there is an asymmetry here

I think it speaks to why rich countries want immigrant labor in the first place - in rich countries, certain kinds of labor are socially devalued for native citizens of said country. Therefore, when the native citizen engages in such labor, he is considered an outcast, and people wonder why he can't do better. Immigrants are offered this work, and are then considered very socially successful in their own spheres, which I think matter a lot. I don't think any of this is well understood at all, if I am correct.

What job titles are you referencing......Are you a machine operator?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

What job titles are you referencing......Are you a machine operator?

I was in my twenties.. then I went to forklift.. and now they want to teach to setup presses as a technician. I'm just anxious about it, because there is a lot to learn, and new things that could go wrong if I'm not on the ball. You got to bolt stuff in correctly, or you could get crushed

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Even our original concept of culture is very different from what other societies have. Take Japan for instance. In Japan children are reared very differently. Ours are made independent from a young age. The women there keep the babies close for several years and anticipate needs constantly. The personality of the child perhaps develops in a different pattern. I can't say for sure that's what it is, but I think it would be a very different kind of society no matter what the schools and laws and religions were. I also don't think there is much genetic difference if any.

Well look, we are species that I think has the ability to try and maximize the epigenetic processes that supposedly might be relevant. If a mother is doing that, then I think maybe it is a kind of a epigenetic process. A chosen one at that, as she doesn't need to do that. We can also chose to parent with a sort of K selective method, which also is what that mother is doing, from I can tell. Other organisms don't consciously do these things, or if they do, it seems like a reaction to objective evolutionary stimuli

Conscious choice of how to supposedly affect development makes the supposed epigenetic striving in humans immensely complicated. But like animals, it is almost as if we have a sort of 'blind' faith or intuition, in how to do these things, or in what these things will do. Take for example schooling - is there one objective method on schooling across the whole planet? Or is there actually a lot of debate on what it will do, and what it can do, and how to do it? I don't know

 

[Stonetree]

I was in my twenties.. then I went to forklift.. and now they want to teach to setup presses as a technician. I'm just anxious about it, because there is a lot to learn, and new things that could go wrong if I'm not on the ball. You got to bolt stuff in correctly, or you could get crushed

I retired as an abrasive machinist. I worked in shops where it was necessary to operate machinery, use cranes, make shipping boxes, skids etc..There were days when ambulances had to be called for coworkers. The advantage for me was one paycheck could sustain a family of four living in a modest fashion......I wish you well...Yes, you have to be careful and don't let anyone 'rush' you while doing anything dangerous. Dangerous machinery, like production presses, should be engineered so you aren't in position to be injured accidentally.....You know this already.... I had a friend die when a pressurized hose exploded and the hose struck him in the chest. The impact was enough to kill him. He was thirty years old.I thought my superiors had our back. I was foolish. I developed thyroid cancer in old age. One repeating job I performed was resurface reactor rings. I had no idea how they were used. Dupont was our customer. The rings belonged to a Russian company. I should have stayed away from that job.......Stay on your toes and good luck..

 

[amorphous_constellation]

First there is the shift away from tribes and marrying cousins that happens over a thousand years ago. Families become small discrete units. Society becomes different as a result but is not totally atomized. The concept of freedom makes a comeback which has benefits.

I am kind of in the dark about how marriage was traditionally organized to retain tribal status, before the industrial revolution. Something tells me that at this point in history, marriage formation is either more random than ever.... or conversely, it is more selective than ever. There might be something very complicated going on with that in modern time, and it isn't totally clear to me how it was historically practiced, where altogether different methods might have been employed.

Then comes the industrial revolution after which most families increasingly cannot operate like small businesses. Home industry fails and is largely (though not entirely) replaced. Instead the man goes to work. Finally the women also enter the workforce so that not only are families discrete but each parent is, and many men and women must combine incomes just to support the food, rent and needs of the kids.

I increasingly see that as a money supply problem, in spite of industrial and technological progress. There is more, better, and easier production of supply than ever before

The same thing is true of the workforce in much of the world, now.

I think it is a different story in places where subsistence methods still might take more precedence. In this case, supply strain is far less artifical

Also don't forget this that many people have criminal records related to drugs. This is a major employment stigma. The justice system is barely able to keep up, so its always a long humiliating process. Therefore we have many capable people who have drug problems that have been made criminals because of it, potentially creating a huge underworld for criminal enterprise. Imagine becoming addicted, making yourself a criminal and officially a 'Bad person' in the eyes of the courts. What is the best way to support your habit? To sell. Now you will be tempted to find ways around the system. You will become part of a huge network outside of the law, an expanded black market, a huge recruiting area for illegal actors. Altogether 20 million Americans have had a felony in their past. This is a high incarceration rate -- bad for families.

That's notable. One might also wonder if not all countries are like ours in that regard. Granted, I think that fentanyl and heroin are obviously destructive, but some places in the world might have less control of drug cartels. In Afghanistan, weren't there opium fields or something.. and south of the American border, there might be drug cartels battling their governments etc.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I retired as an abrasive machinist. I worked in shops where it was necessary to operate machinery, use cranes, make shipping boxes, skids etc..There were days when ambulances had to be called for coworkers. The advantage for me was one paycheck could sustain a family of four living in a modest fashion......I wish you well...Yes, you have to be careful and don't let anyone 'rush' you while doing anything dangerous. Dangerous machinery, like production presses, should be engineered so you aren't in position to be injured accidentally.....You know this already.... I had a friend die when a pressurized hose exploded and the hose struck him in the chest. The impact was enough to kill him. He was thirty years old.I thought my superiors had our back. I was foolish. I developed thyroid cancer in old age. One repeating job I performed was resurface reactor rings. I had no idea how they were used. Dupont was our customer. The rings belonged to a Russian company. I should have stayed away from that job.......Stay on your toes and good luck..

Yeah.. I'm going to have to start getting good at asking questions , and learning from multiple people, to sieve out the best ways.

There are a bunch of guys in there, that have been there forever that seem like they are about to retire.. I have to try and get information from them, before they leave

 

[Twilight Hue]

Show me where Trump said this? That is all I am asking. How is asking for you to give good evidence for your claim denial?

People like that know they can't when it's just blowing out hot air into the either.

 

[McBell]

People like that know they can't when it's just blowing out hot air into the either.

Yeppers.
The OP is good example...