When Cops Are Indistinguishable From Criminals

[Revoltingest]

This is an interesting case. Chicago cops raid the wrong
house. Leave a woman naked & handcuffed for 40 minutes.
Cops were careless, inhuman, try to cover up their error,
& hide the video. The city tried to cover it up too, but
eventually gave her $2,900,000. None of the cops who
treated here this way have been fired.
There appears to be no progress in reining Chicago's
incompetent corrupt cops. The new mayor clucks otherwise,
but also covered up her own knowledge of the botched raid.

Without body cams, this would've been swept under the rug.
Without the threat of court, the city would've never paid any
damages.

If you can stomach watching this woman suffer, pay attention
to the cops' behavior. They show no concern for her plight.
They know they're in the wrong place, but they hang around,
keeping her naked & frightened. They never apologized.
Why bother? She's just another civilian.

 

[Heyo]

This is an interesting case. Chicago cops raid the wrong
house. Leave a woman naked & handcuffed for 40 minutes.
Cops were careless, inhuman, try to cover up their error,
& hide the video. The city tried to cover it up too, but
eventually gave her $2,900,000. None of the cops who
treated here this way have been fired.
There appears to be no progress in reining Chicago's
incompetent corrupt cops. The new mayor clucks otherwise,
but also covered up her own knowledge of the botched raid.

Without body cams, this would've been swept under the rug.
Without the threat of court, the city would've never paid any
damages.

If you can stomach watching this woman suffer, pay attention
to the cops' behavior. They show no concern for her plight.
They know they're in the wrong place, but they hang around,
keeping her naked & frightened. They never apologized.
Why bother? She's just another civilian.

2.9 Megadollar, bad cops are pretty expensive. Cities and counties should be required to take those fines from the police's budget.
"Sorry guys, we can't pay you any more, that money went to one of your victims."
That would teach them to think economical.

 

[Revoltingest]

2.9 Megadollar, bad cops are pretty expensive. Cities and counties should be required to take those fines from the police's budget.
"Sorry guys, we can't pay you any more, that money went to one of your victims."
That would teach them to think economical.

I agree.
Put'm on a budget.

 

[Kfox]

I've often heard it said that "no one is above the law," and that includes the President and every single law enforcement officer out there.

But there is a certain mentality and attitude among many who believe that the police (and by extension, the government in general) should be above the rest of the population. This is actually a classist, aristocratic way of thinking.

There was once a time in this country when we really didn't have "police departments." We still had law and means of dispensing justice, but we didn't have a system where full time police officers go around patrolling randomly looking for things to cite or arrest people for. That's rather absurd, when you think about it. The fire department doesn't do that. They stay in their station until someone calls in a report of a fire, and then they go out.

In high crime neighborhoods, most of the law abiding citizens want and need the cops there on patrol. I find it absurd to suggest that because waiting for someone to call, works for the fire department, it should also work for the Police.

 

[Kfox]

2.9 Megadollar, bad cops are pretty expensive. Cities and counties should be required to take those fines from the police's budget.
"Sorry guys, we can't pay you any more, that money went to one of your victims."
That would teach them to think economical.

Sometimes city leaders give criminals millions when they don’t deserve it
*Charleena Lyles family got millions when the cops shot her after she lunged at them with a knife.
*Jacob Blake was shot in the back and paralyzed after refusing police orders and reaching in his car for a knife. He got millions for his trouble
*Miyekko Durden-Bosley kicked the cop in the face and the cop retaliated by hitting back, and the cop was fired, and Miyhekko got a million.
When anarchists and thugs burn a city due to justified police shootings, politicians will often give millions to the criminal and their families in an effort to appease the crowd. Not everybody who gets millions deserve it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sometimes city leaders give criminals millions when they don’t deserve it
*Charleena Lyles family got millions when the cops shot her after she lunged at them with a knife.

Of course, she got nothing (being dead).
I looked thru several news accounts. This appeared to be
a cop over-reaction to a woman suffering from worsening
mental health issues. Not one source said she "lunged"
(or anything similar) with a knife. We see in this video,
the cops say only that she had a knife.
Charleena Lyles, a black woman, was pregnant when police officers shot and killed her

*Jacob Blake was shot in the back and paralyzed after refusing police orders and reaching in his car for a knife. He got millions for his trouble

This is a video of the shooting.
His back is turned as he bends into his car.
Shooting him 7 times in the back doesn't appear justified.

*Miyekko Durden-Bosley kicked the cop in the face and the cop retaliated by hitting back, and the cop was fired, and Miyhekko got a million.

Even though she had assaulted the cop, she posed no threat
at the time when the cop assaulted her out of vengeance.
The proper way to punish her is not curbside summary justice,
but rather to let the courts sentence her. It also appeared (in
the video) that the cops escalated the situation.
Former Officer Fired For Punching Handcuffed Woman Sues SPD - PubliCola

When anarchists and thugs burn a city due to justified police shootings, politicians will often give millions to the criminal and their families in an effort to appease the crowd. Not everybody who gets millions deserve it.

Committing a crime does not justify cops breaking the
law, & violating civil rights. But alas, many cops do
believe they can in anger brutalize civilians they think
deserve it. This can get expensive for taxpayers.

 

[Kfox]

Of course, she got nothing (being dead).

Her family got a huge payday.

I looked thru several news accounts. This appeared to be
a cop over-reaction to a woman suffering from worsening
mental health issues. Not one source said she "lunged"
(or anything similar) with a knife. We see in this video,
the cops say only that she had a knife.

This incident happened in my city, I remember when this took place.
A month prior to her death, she called the cops to her house claiming a burglary, and when the cops got there, she came out with a knife attempting to kill them. The cops talked her down and disarmed her peacefully and took her in; it was obvious she had mental problems. She was scheduled to get help when her sister came and promised she would personally keep Charleena in her custody and keep her away from her children; so the released Charleena into her sisters custody. A few days later, Charleena called the cops again, but this time different cops showed up, and the dispatcher neglected to warn the cops of her prior incident; when the cops entered her house she had 2 knives and attacked them. These cops didn’t talk her down, they shot her instead. What do you expect the cops to do; Allow themselves to get stabbed?

This is a video of the shooting.
His back is turned as he bends into his car.
Shooting him 7 times in the back doesn't appear justified.

What are the cops supposed to do? Wait till he pulls a gun out and shoot them? They shot him point blank, they obviously did not want to kill him, they just wanted to stop him from being able to attack them. What would you have done differently?

Even though she had assaulted the cop, she posed no threat
at the time when the cop assaulted her out of vengeance.

She kicked him in the face! How can you say she posed no threat? Unless her feet are cuffed, she was a threat.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

These cops didn’t talk her down, they shot her instead. What do you expect the cops to do; Allow themselves to get stabbed?

Not handle situations that involve mental illness on their own. The mentally ill are the number one killed and abused group by the cops.

What are the cops supposed to do? Wait till he pulls a gun out and shoot them? They shot him point blank, they obviously did not want to kill him, they just wanted to stop him from being able to attack them. What would you have done differently?

Wait to have visual confirmation of a weapon, and maim rather than go over kill.

She kicked him in the face! How can you say she posed no threat? Unless her feet are cuffed, she was a threat.

After they escalated things. Cops are really good at doing that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Her family got a huge payday.

This incident happened in my city, I remember when this took place.
A month prior to her death, she called the cops to her house claiming a burglary, and when the cops got there, she came out with a knife attempting to kill them. The cops talked her down and disarmed her peacefully and took her in; it was obvious she had mental problems. She was scheduled to get help when her sister came and promised she would personally keep Charleena in her custody and keep her away from her children; so the released Charleena into her sisters custody. A few days later, Charleena called the cops again, but this time different cops showed up, and the dispatcher neglected to warn the cops of her prior incident; when the cops entered her house she had 2 knives and attacked them. These cops didn’t talk her down, they shot her instead. What do you expect the cops to do; Allow themselves to get stabbed?

What are the cops supposed to do? Wait till he pulls a gun out and shoot them? They shot him point blank, they obviously did not want to kill him, they just wanted to stop him from being able to attack them. What would you have done differently?

To shoot anyone in the back because they might
have a gun is excessive. But the issue was the
possibility of a knife.

She kicked him in the face! How can you say she posed no threat? Unless her feet are cuffed, she was a threat.

I watched a video of the altercation...she wasn't
kicking when he punched her.
While this case is far less clear cut a case of unjustified
violence than the examples I posted, the city attorney
determined that his firing as justified cuz of excessive force.

Some shootings & violent arrests are justifiable.
The big problem is that many are not. And that
is the problem that needs solving.

 

[Kfox]

Not handle situations that involve mental illness on their own.

That was not an option for them. Again; what did you expect them to do?

Wait to have visual confirmation of a weapon, and maim rather than go over kill.

By the time you see the gun, you are already dead. And they did maim him, they didn't kill him; he's in a wheel chair now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That was not an option for them. Again; what did you expect them to do?

Looks like they need to make it an option. Cops are really bad when it comes to interacting with the mentally ill. They have a case worker with them who does most of the talking or they don't intervene.

That was not an option for them. Again; what did you expect them to do?

By the time you see the gun, you are already dead. And they did maim him, they didn't kill him; he's in a wheel chair now.

Shooting seven times isn't shooting to maim. And, yeah. You have to have confirmation. That's how unarmed people get murdered by the pigs.

 

[Kfox]

To shoot anyone in the back because they might
have a gun is excessive.

No, if you are refusing to obey and are reaching for a weapon; you are a threat, and cops have a right to defend themselves against a threat.

But the issue was the
possibility of a knife..

they found out it was only a knife only after they shot him.

 

[Kfox]

Looks like they need to make it an option. Cops are really bad when it comes to interacting with the mentally ill. They have a case worker with them who does most of the talking or they don't intervene.

In theory it would be good if each cop could have a mental health professional with them to handle the mentally ill, but in the real world there aren’t enough mental health professionals around to accompany cops and work all the clinics. But in this case, she called the cops to her house claiming a break-in

Shooting seven times isn't shooting to maim.

Why is 7 times excessive? Which is better 1 shot that kills him or 7 that only maims him?

And, yeah. You have to have confirmation. .

No conformation is not necessary; they don’t have that luxury.

 

[We Never Know]

No, if you are refusing to obey and are reaching for a weapon; you are a threat, and cops have a right to defend themselves against a threat.

they found out it was only a knife only after they shot him.

As the old saying goes, "don't bring a knife to a gun fight".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In theory it would be good if each cop could have a mental health professional with them to handle the mentally ill, but in the real world there aren’t enough mental health professionals around to accompany cops and work all the clinics. But in this case, she called the cops to her house claiming a break-in

So? She was mentally ill. That requires special considerations and the cops don't care.
The cops need social workers to handle such things. They have proven time and time again they aren't competent or trustworthy of handling a mental health crisis.

Why is 7 times excessive? Which is better 1 shot that kills him or 7 that only maims him?

They could have done a number of things differently. He shouldn't have been shot.

No conformation is not necessary; they don’t have that luxury.

And that's how innocent people get murdered by pigs. They can wait. They should wait. But they don't and they become murderers and turn themselves into a significant danger and an enemy of the people.

 

[Heyo]

In theory it would be good if each cop could have a mental health professional with them to handle the mentally ill

So you agree to "defund the police"?

 

[Heyo]

Not everybody who gets millions deserve it.

Do you think that cities and counties give those millions out of free volition or political consideration? They get sentenced to or agree to a deal in face of the court.
And even if it isn't justice, it is at least justified. Justice would of course be if the real perpetrators had to pay, but if their employers have to step in it should teach them to be careful who they hire.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, if you are refusing to obey and are reaching for a weapon; you are a threat, and cops have a right to defend themselves against a threat.

they found out it was only a knife only after they shot him.

When in doubt about a danger shoot-the-civilian is a very bad policy.
Refusing to obey an order, so shoot-the-civilian is a very bad policy.
Even when seeing a gun, the automatic presumption that the
civilian must be shot results in cops shooting each other.
What's interesting is the once they discover the victim is
one of their own, then they have some empathy & regret.

 

[Kfox]

So? She was mentally ill. That requires special considerations and the cops don't care.

The cops had no way of knowing she was mentally ill, and if she attacks them, what are they supposed to do? A mental person with a knife is just as dangerous as a sane person with one

The cops need social workers to handle such things.

What’s a social worker going to do with a mental person? No; they needed a mental health professional. Unfortunately they don’t have enough of them to go around; if they did they probably wouldn’t be letting so many people with mental problems out on the streets; they would be under supervision where they belong

They could have done a number of things differently. He shouldn't have been shot.

What should they have done? They tazed him multiple times, and tazers had no effect on him; it’s his fault for refusing to obey orders.

 

[Stevicus]

There appears to be no progress in reining Chicago's
incompetent corrupt cops. The new mayor clucks otherwise,
but also covered up her own knowledge of the botched raid.

I think that's where much of the problem lies, not just with the cops themselves, but with the elected officials who have a duty to oversee and rein in/punish the cops when necessary.

This is also why transparency and full disclosure are necessary.

If you can stomach watching this woman suffer, pay attention
to the cops' behavior. They show no concern for her plight.
They know they're in the wrong place, but they hang around,
keeping her naked & frightened. They never apologized.
Why bother? She's just another civilian.

I think we had a discussion on this a while back, where you stated your opposition to releasing bodycam footage since it might show someone naked. But in this case, she was the one who was naked and had been pressing the cops to release the video. While I respect people's privacy, I think in this case, the damage was already done. She was already video-recorded, and presumably, the cops, lawyers, and judges saw it in private and had a good laugh over it. But I think the general public would be more sympathetic to her plight if they could see it for themselves.

Anything the cops can see, the public should be allowed to see. Anything the government knows, the people have a right to know. Otherwise, the government shouldn't be allowed to know or see these things either. The government should be ruled by the people, not the other way around.