When did Paul convert?

[paarsurrey]

Day, week and month!? almost 2000 years ago?

Even 2000 years ago days, weeks and months existed. Right?
On what day , Friday or some other day Jesus was put on the Cross is still hotly discussed. If Jesus was put on the Cross in the afternoon of Friday, in two/three hours a sturdy man like Jesus never died. Yet, this man the Hellenist-Paul had made the simple followers of Jesus to believe that Jesus died a cursed death on the Cross and converted them to Hellenism in the name of Christ, I understand. Right?

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[Wu Wei]

Even 2000 years ago days, weeks and months existed. Right?
On what day , Friday or some other day Jesus was put on the Cross is still hotly discussed. If Jesus was put on the Cross in the afternoon of Friday, in two/three hours a sturdy man like Jesus never died. Yet, this man the Hellenist-Paul had made the simple followers of Jesus to believe that Jesus died a cursed death on the Cross and converted them to Hellenism in the name of Christ, I understand. Right?

Regards

Yes, but very likely not the same calendar... scholars can't agree on which calendar some think the Tannatic calendar with 13 months, some think the Jewish calendar with 29 day months, some think Roman.... so I find it highly unlikely you will ever get a real, historically accurate answer to your question

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, but very likely not the same calendar... scholars can't agree on which calendar some think the Tannatic calendar with 13 months, some think the Jewish calendar with 29 day months, some think Roman.... so I find it highly unlikely you will ever get a real, historically accurate answer to your question

Thanks for the "Yes" that Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross, If I understood one correctly, please. Right?

Regards

 

[Wu Wei]

Thanks for the "Yes" that Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross, If I understood one correctly, please. Right?

Regards

I said no such thing, I am ONLY referring to your request for day and date. Do not read anything more into that. There are many things in history that we do not know the exact date of, but yet they happened.

So, do respond directly, I said NO and you did not understand me correctly at all

 

[paarsurrey]

and Jesus chose James his brother as his successor:

"(12) The disciples said to Jesus : "We know that You will leave from us. Who is to be our leader ?" Jesus said to them : "From where You stand now, You are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

"The Gospel of (according to) Thomas"
JESUS-PEOPLE : the "Gospel of Thomas"

Jesus had already appointed James the Just, his brother, his Successor after him, as I understand. Right?

Regards

Since Jesus had already appointed James his brother as his successor and James was among the Twelve, so Paul's claim of seeing a vision becomes doubtful ,meaningless and misleading, one understands, please. Right?

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[Thrillobyte]

What is the time lag between the event of crucifixion of Jesus and Paul's conversion from Judaism, please?
Kindly mention days, weeks and or months, please. Also please give one's arguments with the sources, please.

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The real question is why does anybody believe Paul (and all the apostles for that matter) was a real person since no secular historians mention him and their isn't the slightest bit of evidence he even existed.

 

[paarsurrey]

The real question is why does anybody believe Paul (and all the apostles for that matter) was a real person since no secular historians mention him and their isn't the slightest bit of evidence he even existed.

I agree with one that there is no need to believe the Hellenist-Paul, he hand nothing to do with Yeshua- the Jewish Messiah and Yeshua's teachings, I understand.

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[paarsurrey]

lukethethird said: ↑
The author of gMark may have put a couple of Paul's teachings into Jesus' mouth.

for instance, please. Kindly elaborate one's points, please.

What I get to know is that while Hellenist Paul faked a vision and thus he became a fake Apostle; his Epistles appeared before the four Gospels - anonymous narrations, most certainly as I understand, please. Right?
By then Hellenist-Paul's associates and Hellenist-Pauline Church got well established and when the four Gospels-narrations appeared they doctored them as per the Hellenist Pauline creeds, it transpires to one. Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

lukethethird said: ↑
The author of gMark may have put a couple of Paul's teachings into Jesus' mouth.

What I get to know is that while Hellenist Paul faked a vision and thus he became a fake Apostle; his Epistles appeared before the four Gospels - anonymous narrations, most certainly as I understand, please. Right?
By then Hellenist-Paul's associates and Hellenist-Pauline Church got well established and when the four Gospels-narrations appeared they doctored them as per the Hellenist Pauline creeds, it transpires to one. Right?

So, Hellenist Paul never converted to the religion that Yeshua-the Israelite Messiah followed, one understands, please. Right?

Regards

 

[PearlSeeker]

Paul didn't know Jesus before his conversion but he must have had some poor information what Jesus' followers believed because he persecuted them. He was responsible for the stoning of Stephen...

According to the Bible Paul had (at least) three visions of Jesus. First was on the road to Damascus. Paul didn't recognize Jesus (he didn't know him). Jesus introduced himself to Paul. This was Paul's conversion. He then got further info from other Christians. He also met the apostles... In the other two known visions Paul was sent to the Gentiles and then to Rome.

 

[paarsurrey]

Paul didn't know Jesus before his conversion but he must have had some poor information what Jesus' followers believed because he persecuted them. He was responsible for the stoning of Stephen...

According to the Bible Paul had (at least) three visions of Jesus. First was on the road to Damascus. Paul didn't recognize Jesus (he didn't know him). Jesus introduced himself to Paul. This was Paul's conversion. He then got further info from other Christians. He also met the apostles... In the other two known visions Paul was sent to the Gentiles and then to Rome.

Paul only heard a voice, it could be voice of the Devil/Satan, how could Paul recognize that it was Jesus' voice when he was never in the company of Jesus and had no intimate relationship with Jesus, please? Right?
In all probability rather most certainly Paul faked a vision to lead the credulous away from the path and teachings that (Jesus) Yeshua - the Israelite Messiah followed, one understands. Right?

Regards

 

[PearlSeeker]

Paul only heard a voice, it could be voice of the Devil/Satan, how could Paul recognize that it was Jesus' voice when he was never in the company of Jesus and had no intimate relationship with Jesus, please? Right?
In all probability rather most certainly Paul faked a vision to lead the credulous away from the path and teachings that (Jesus) Yeshua - the Israelite Messiah followed, on understands. Right?

Regards

No. Paul didn't destroy Christianity. He made it viral.

As I said Paul didn't recognize him. Jesus introduced himself.

 

[paarsurrey]

When did Paul convert?

Paul never converted to the following of (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, Paul was a Hellenist so he mischievously converted the disappointed followers of Yeshua to Hellenism only (mis)using the name of (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, it transpires, please. Right?

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