When did you realize you were....

[Gehennaite]

1) No, there's a difference.

2) And you ignored that trans women don't necessarily start off life as XY.

1) Oh lookie here, a non-trans individual claiming to be an authority on the subject of trans vocabulary. Here are four trans vids where the trans author doesn't hyphenate or space between trans & woman. Better post up and tell them how wrong they are:

1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZILJROZrrEk
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhCQnUUizC8
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7oTCZtbB6k
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHyivhd-HYI

And here are two wikipages that distinctively state:

1) A trans woman (sometimes trans-woman or transwoman) (Trans woman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
2) A transwoman (sometimes spelled as trans-woman or trans woman) (Transwoman - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Your point is debunked. Please stop posting on it.

2) All have a "Y" chromosome. In the off-chance that they have Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), they would still be considered chromosomal males due to the "Y". They wouldn't be considered transwomen if they did not have a "Y".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Transwoman is used sometimes but trans woman tends to be favored since it just uses trans as a descriptor of what type of woman you are. I mean you wouldn't write "whiteman", right? No.

 

[Drolefille]

1) Oh lookie here, a non-trans individual claiming to be an authority on the subject of trans vocabulary.

The irony.

Preferred nomenclature is "trans woman" and while others may use otherwise, if you aren't trans, you aren't the one who gets to dictate. Right? So stop trying.

Your obsession with trans women btw, is kind of creepy.

 

[Gehennaite]

The irony.

Preferred nomenclature is "trans woman" and while others may use otherwise, if you aren't trans, you aren't the one who gets to dictate. Right? So stop trying.

Your obsession with trans women btw, is kind of creepy.

You were the one initially making truth claims about the use of the word and calling it wrong... and lo and behold you were wrong. I learned the use of the word through the trans-community. It is a correct & valid term. Period.

And there is nothing creepy about my attractions, either. Keep your bigoted comments about others to yourself, "Miss Proud".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You were the one initially making truth claims about the use of the word and calling it wrong... and lo and behold you were wrong. I learned the use of the word through the trans-community. It is a correct & valid term. Period.

And there is nothing creepy about my attractions, either. Keep your bigoted comments about others to yourself, "Miss Proud".

Well, you end up sounding a bit mixed up when you say you're not into women but then say you're into trans women. Or when you deny being attracted to men but are attracted to transvestites, which are men. You sound confused, at the very least.

In the trans community, men like you are called "tranny chasers" and it's not viewed as a positive thing.

 

[Drolefille]

You were the one initially making truth claims about the use of the word and calling it wrong... and lo and behold you were wrong. I learned the use of the word through the trans-community. It is a correct & valid term. Period.

And there is nothing creepy about my attractions, either. Keep your bigoted comments about others to yourself, "Miss Proud".

Ah no. Your attitudes toward women and your exclusion only of trans women from that category while calling them males is confused at best, and comes off creepy.

If you were just a guy into trans women, that would be something else. Instead you're someone that I consider threatening who is into a very vulnerable population while misgendering them.

 

[Gehennaite]

Well, you end up sounding a bit mixed up when you say you're not into women but then say you're into trans women. Or when you deny being attracted to men but are attracted to transvestites, which are men. You sound confused, at the very least.

In the trans community, men like you are called "tranny chasers" and it's not viewed as a positive thing.

I'm not a chaser, chap.

I just know there is a chromosomal & genetic difference between males & females, and I know I am not attracted to post-op females. This is why I used "transwoman" in my initial post. It is as an umbrella term to describe the specificity of my attraction because it is pinpoint accurate.

In actual encounters, I have absolutely no problem calling them she/her/girl/woman/etc. Go back and read my first post in this thread. There is no reason to even be debating this.

Ah no. Your attitudes toward women and your exclusion only of trans women from that category while calling them males is confused at best, and comes off creepy.

I am active in the transcommunity through the internet, supporting and encouraging plenty of folks through their transition.

I don't need to give two flying ****s about XX-chromosomal/genetic women. They are not facing adversities over their orientation.

I use "trans" terms exclusively in conversation when talking about women who have no interest in removing their phallus. You can read my reply to saint_frankenstein for the rest of my rebuttal to this paltry comment of yours.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I realized I was straight shortly after my sexual maturity came up. I've looked at some male/male inappropriate (in my definition only) visual material more than once and I always had that negative twitch/shake that completely turns me off and imply disapproval!

 

[Riverwolf]

Then they aren't. But most transwomen are going to call themselves women, especially in my experience.

If they're going to deny being women, then they wouldn't be calling themselves trans women in the first place.

So, if I'm understanding correctly, those who basically think of themselves as "men with vaginas" aren't the same thing as "trans women"?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I first realized something was up when I was very young, but having older siblings I knew what gender roles were and who they belonged, and for many years I tormented and really beat my self up psychologically. It wasn't until a few years ago when I realized there is no point in fighting myself, I am a woman and that dumb boy has to go. It's just been getting into a better position when I can finally kick him out for good.
As for my sexuality, that I am just going to figure out as it comes and happens as my own life gets started.

 

[Drolefille]

So, if I'm understanding correctly, those who basically think of themselves as "men with vaginas" aren't the same thing as "trans women"?

Men with vaginas would be trans men if I'm understanding you clearly. Presuming they were born with the vaginas and didn't get surgery to acquire them.

The gender you use is the one you present/identify with, not the one you started with.

If there's a group of people who have SRS to acquire a vagina and still identify as men, I don't know what the term would be for that besides some variety of genderqueer/whatever they call themselves.

 

[Drolefille]

I don't need to give two flying ****s about XX-chromosomal/genetic women. They are not facing adversities over their orientation. And besides, vaginas are unaesthetic & gross.

If you have a problem with this, please discuss it with a counselor, for not even a transperson would feel the least bit threatened by this.

Love the misogyny.

Your threatening behavior has been noted before. And will continue to be noted.

 

[Nymphs]

sex-driven weirdos.

There isn't anything wrong with being sex-driven, nor is it weird to be sex-driven.

I just know there is a chromosomal & genetic difference between males & females, and I know I am not attracted to post-op females. This is why I used "transwoman" in my initial post. It is as an umbrella term to describe the specificity of my attraction because it is pinpoint accurate.

In actual encounters, I have absolutely no problem calling them she/her/girl/woman/etc. Go back and read my first post in this thread. There is no reason to even be debating this.
I am active in the transcommunity through the internet, supporting and encouraging plenty of folks through their transition.

I don't need to give two flying ****s about XX-chromosomal/genetic women. They are not facing adversities over their orientation. And besides, vaginas are unaesthetic & gross.

I use "trans" terms exclusively in conversation when talking about women who have no interest in removing their phallus. You can read my reply to saint_frankenstein for the rest of my rebuttal to this paltry comment of yours.

If you have a problem with this, please discuss it with a counselor, for not even a transperson would feel the least bit threatened by this.

Could you try not to derail the thread any longer? :sarcastic

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I've been fully straight as long as I can remember. I've had heart-wrenching crushes on girls since kindergarten. I find men to be about as sexually attractive as a pile of manure.

 

[Nymphs]

I've been fully straight as long as I can remember. I've had heart-wrenching crushes on girls since kindergarten. I find men to be about as sexually attractive as a pile of manure.

My husband is the same way. I on the other hand have always found both genders to be attractive....but I thought that was normal, until I hit puberty, and my religion started interfering.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not a chaser, chap. Don't even begin to include me in with those sex-driven weirdos.

I just know there is a chromosomal & genetic difference between males & females, and I know I am not attracted to post-op females. This is why I used "transwoman" in my initial post. It is as an umbrella term to describe the specificity of my attraction because it is pinpoint accurate.

In actual encounters, I have absolutely no problem calling them she/her/girl/woman/etc. Go back and read my first post in this thread. There is no reason to even be debating this.
I am active in the transcommunity through the internet, supporting and encouraging plenty of folks through their transition.

I don't need to give two flying ****s about XX-chromosomal/genetic women. They are not facing adversities over their orientation. And besides, vaginas are unaesthetic & gross.

I use "trans" terms exclusively in conversation when talking about women who have no interest in removing their phallus. You can read my reply to saint_frankenstein for the rest of my rebuttal to this paltry comment of yours.

If you have a problem with this, please discuss it with a counselor, for not even a transperson would feel the least bit threatened by this.

It just throws up a lot of red flags for me because you say you're not interested in trans women who have had genital surgery and then say misogynistic things about women and rude things about female genitals. So it makes it seem like you're fetishizing trans women because of their bodies whereas if you just liked trans women because they're women, you wouldn't have a problem with trans women who have had SRS. Also, if you're into them for being women, you shouldn't have a problem with cis women because they're both women. This is something that's quite common with chasers.

I'm a trans person, by the way, and I'm bothered by this.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My husband is the same way. I on the other hand have always found both genders to be attractive....but I thought that was normal, until I hit puberty, and my religion started interfering.

I was much the same way. I started having crushes on girls first but then a little bit after, I started having crushes on boys. I was raised around gay men and lesbians so I had no idea that there was a difference between liking boys or girls, no matter which gender you are. It was all the same to me. When I was a kid, I would hang out with this boy (all my friends were boys until my late teens) and we would talk openly about guys we had crushes on and what we'd like to do with them. He later came out as gay in his early teens and I came out as bi. Then we stopped hanging out with each other. My guess is that his parents didn't want me around him because they were homophobes and didn't accept their son for being gay and perhaps they thought I was a bad influence.

It wasn't until my teens that I realized that society makes distinctions between gay, bi and straight. I fell into a period of homophobia due to my ardent Catholicism. Looking back, I wished I never had the rude awakening of how society views sexuality. I wish all children would never have that. I think my views on it as a child - that there really is no difference and it is all quite natural - were the most healthy and natural. Society is so sick and I hate it.

 

[Leftimies]

There isn't anything wrong with being sex-driven, nor is it weird to be sex-driven.



Could you try not to derail the thread any longer? :sarcastic

After hearing you plead not to derail the thread any longer, I will proceed to derail it further.

There isn't anything inherently wrong about being sex-driven in itself, but it is much more prone to destructive results - much like any other compulsive drive. In much similar way, irrational renunciation of sexuality makes one prone to destructive results, i.e the bottling up of urges resulting in explosion.

Being driven by something as fickle as sex surely is kinda risky, don't you agree? I ask this because I am interested in how you view this matter.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not a chaser, chap. Don't even begin to include me in with those sex-driven weirdos.

I just know there is a chromosomal & genetic difference between males & females, and I know I am not attracted to post-op females. This is why I used "transwoman" in my initial post. It is as an umbrella term to describe the specificity of my attraction because it is pinpoint accurate.

In actual encounters, I have absolutely no problem calling them she/her/girl/woman/etc. Go back and read my first post in this thread. There is no reason to even be debating this.
I am active in the transcommunity through the internet, supporting and encouraging plenty of folks through their transition.

I don't need to give two flying ****s about XX-chromosomal/genetic women. They are not facing adversities over their orientation. And besides, vaginas are unaesthetic & gross.

I use "trans" terms exclusively in conversation when talking about women who have no interest in removing their phallus. You can read my reply to saint_frankenstein for the rest of my rebuttal to this paltry comment of yours.

If you have a problem with this, please discuss it with a counselor, for not even a transperson would feel the least bit threatened by this.

Yes, actually, you do come off as quite creepy. And we do call people like you chasers. If you like pre-op transgender women (I have a background in psychology to know the terms are properly used, and transgender is the universal catch-all umbrella phrase; transsexual is the term to describe those who medically alter their body), then what else is it? It isn't a bad thing, but your defensiveness over it does come off as threatening. And it's not like this society is going to give you much room to be calling other people a weirdo.
And don't think you are involved in the community or know a few things because you are active online. I too have been there, and you essentially have little more than a bunch of ****** women arguing over who really is and who isn't. I don't even use them anymore, because it gets so bad that some believe you aren't really a woman if you prefer wearing jeans over skirts. And then there are some that being a rocker chick isn't really being a chick. And then of course there are people who are pretending to be transgender online, which is another reason "being active in the community online" isn't very impressive.

 

[Drolefille]

Yes, actually, you do come off as quite creepy. And we do call people like you chasers. If you like pre-op transgender women (I have a background in psychology to know the terms are properly used, and transgender is the universal catch-all umbrella phrase; transsexual is the term to describe those who medically alter their body), then what else is it? It isn't a bad thing, but your defensiveness over it does come off as threatening. And it's not like this society is going to give you much room to be calling other people a weirdo.
And don't think you are involved in the community or know a few things because you are active online. I too have been there, and you essentially have little more than a bunch of ****** women arguing over who really is and who isn't. I don't even use them anymore, because it gets so bad that some believe you aren't really a woman if you prefer wearing jeans over skirts. And then there are some that being a rocker chick isn't really being a chick. And then of course there are people who are pretending to be transgender online, which is another reason "being active in the community online" isn't very impressive.

I want to clarify that the threatening behavior I was referring to is in regards to previous comments he made about wishing he could commit violence against people in hetero non-mono relationships but being restrained by the law. I have not seen him advocate violence against trans people here, but the misogyny and the "chaser" attitude adds to the "Creep" factor as I stated.

I consider his posts to be threatening, misogynistic, and inappropriate for this forum. But I'm not a mod.