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When does it end.

CalebAB

Crazy-Eyes
When is the human race going to realize that intolorence of one anothers religions is going to lead to our ultimate downfall? Why cant everyone just agree to disagree about their perspective beliefs. I'm all for the general religious discussion, but there is a line that souldnt be crossed. you can talk about religion and not offended if you keep your mind open. you dont have to believe in everything some one is saying to take somthing valuable from them.
 

Da Troof

Member
It ends when all religious people accept that they believe utter nonsense and accept that there is NO GOD & NO AFTERLIFE
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
It will stop when people awaken to the fact that they can bring about their own peace instead of destruction. I've given them everything they need to do this. They just have to shift their way of thinking.

HELLO IT'S ME: An Inteview With GOD
Chapter: Armageddon and the Apocalypse
Pg: 77
 

UnityNow101

Well-Known Member
It ends when all religious people accept that they believe utter nonsense and accept that there is NO GOD & NO AFTERLIFE

The believing in an afterlife and God is not the problem. The problem is in the religious people's incessant need to prove their belief system and say that they are right and everyone else is wrong. But the same can be said of some atheistic observers. They are so caught up in defending themselves that they fail to realize the conflict that it alone produces. If God is in charge as the religions claim, than why the need for constant games of, "We are right and you burn in hell for being wrong?" Whatever happened to leaving it in the hands of God? The egoic nature of man is the true hindrance.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
If God is in charge as the religions claim, than why the need for constant games of, "We are right and you burn in hell for being wrong?"
Because of my signature ... thats why! I might be wrong. And I should keep my mind open. But as long as I believe I am right it is my reponsibility to tell other humans the truth.
Obviously, I can not force them to do anything because not forcing them is also my responsibility. But short of that whatever I can do I should do!
 

UnityNow101

Well-Known Member
I might be wrong. And I should keep my mind open. But as long as I believe I am right it is my reponsibility to tell other humans the truth.

Why is it your responsibilty and what are you defending with such fervor? You are defending an idea, not necessarily an actuality...To defend an idea is silly, really. You have one idea and somebody else another. And the only thing that you can agree on is your need to defend the idea, which may or may not be right to begin with. There is nothing holding the idea or belief together but the idea. It is like money without the Gold Standard. We say that is has value, but there is nothing backing it's value up but the people that insist that it has value.
 

fEtish

New Member
It ends when every human being on this earth can be truly respectful of their fellow man and his or her beliefs and customs.

It ends when all religious people accept that they believe utter nonsense and accept that there is NO GOD & NO AFTERLIFE
This is an example of how NOT to be truly respectful of others beliefs and customs. :)
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
why the need for constant games of, "We are right and you burn in hell for being wrong?"
Because if "I am right", and you do "burn in hell for being wrong", then as many people as possible need to be right...
 

3.14

Well-Known Member
whats the big problem with me burning in hell?, its not like if im in hell il ever find out what heaven is like to compare them.


ps. if a person never knew of hell would he go to it aswell?
doesn't that mean you are giving him a 50% chance to go to hell instead of a 100% chance not to go to hell?
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
You are defending an idea, not necessarily an actuality...To defend an idea is silly, really.
No, not necessarily. But that is it you see?
Will God punish me for:
1. Honestly believing for some reason in the wrong path (because of my human limitation) and trying my best to show somebody what I believe is the right thing to do OR
2. Honestly believing for some reason in the wrong path and just sitting there and watch others follow a different path believing it is hell-bound.

On the day of Judgement I need not fear punishment even if I am on the wrong path and trying to bring others to that path ... as long as I was doing it in honesty and out of God's love and love for His creation.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
ps. if a person never knew of hell would he go to it aswell?
doesn't that mean you are giving him a 50% chance to go to hell instead of a 100% chance not to go to hell?
Good question? Many think that way.
But that is like not giving knowledge to people lest they use it in a wrong way. It is like saying lets not invest in nuclear theory of Physics lest people make more bombs. Whether people are honest or not to accept the truth and reject falsehood should not stop one from revealing the truth.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Good question? Many think that way.
But that is like not giving knowledge to people lest they use it in a wrong way. It is like saying lets not invest in nuclear theory of Physics lest people make more bombs. Whether people are honest or not to accept the truth and reject falsehood should not stop one from revealing the truth.

Whose truth?
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
When is the human race going to realize that intolorence of one anothers religions is going to lead to our ultimate downfall? Why cant everyone just agree to disagree about their perspective beliefs. I'm all for the general religious discussion, but there is a line that souldnt be crossed. you can talk about religion and not offended if you keep your mind open. you dont have to believe in everything some one is saying to take somthing valuable from them.

It will end when the human species is extinct.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
It ends when all religious people accept that they believe utter nonsense and accept that there is NO GOD & NO AFTERLIFE

Dude, there's no way to know that. There's absolutely no way for you to know for sure whether there's an afterlife or not. Have you died and seen it or something? And it won't end there. People will always have something to disagree on. So basically, what I'm saying is, it will never end. Humans are a warrior race. It's in our blood to be competitive. Think about it. We who see the futility of war will still try to get our message across to people, and those who favor war will view them as cowards and idiots, while those who don't favor war will view those who do as barbaric and bloodthirsty. So it doesn't matter. It is a nightmare that will never end, but it's only a nightmare if you view it as such. I try to take a cue from the Samurai and feudal Japan, or better yet, the Klingons. Sure, they're bloodthirsty, but at least they admit it, and they are ritualistic and honorable; they would never do many of the cowardly things I've seen denying terrorists, including the US government, mind you, doing, like bombing civilians.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
It will end when the human species is extinct.

How cynical of you(me).

I think that even if there were one world religion, or no religion at all, world peace would still elude us. The animosity between human beings holds very much to a natural instinct and that other cultural variables often play a more prominent role in conflicts than religious differences.

But...I should at least acknowledge that a universal philosophical ideal would probably go a long way in reducing the level of animosity amongst ourselves.
 

autonomous1one1

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When is the human race going to realize that intolorence of one anothers religions is going to lead to our ultimate downfall? .....
Greetings CalebAB. Many feel that the dominance of the ego within most of our beings is the root cause of this intolerance. Surely if we all lived true to our religion (love from Christ for example) we might be able to avoid the downfall. The solution that receives my dedication falls along the lines of that of Eckhart Tolle (and others at this time). Let me quote from his writing about developing his book, A New Earth:

"..But there was also an added sense of urgency, a realization that what the planet and humanity need most is a shift in consciousness, a spiritual awakening. Without it, we perpetuate the insanity of the past (which we can see most clearly in the history of the 20th century) or, at best, we only treat the symptoms of the disease, not the underlying cause. The disease, of course, is the collective dysfunction of the egoic mind."

Awakening, which is beginning to bloom, is a solution. (Eckhart's full message about writing his book can be found at: An Invitation from Eckhart Tolle)
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
When is the human race going to realize that intolorence of one anothers religions is going to lead to our ultimate downfall? Why cant everyone just agree to disagree about their perspective beliefs. I'm all for the general religious discussion, but there is a line that souldnt be crossed. you can talk about religion and not offended if you keep your mind open. you dont have to believe in everything some one is saying to take somthing valuable from them.

If we all agreed with each other then that would mean we all thought the same way and had the same experiences and perceptions, never gonna happen, unless we enjoin some Borg like collective experience...is that what we need, the hive mind?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
If we all agreed with each other then that would mean we all thought the same way and had the same experiences and perceptions, never gonna happen, unless we enjoin some Borg like collective experience...is that what we need, the hive mind?

...I'd rather mate with a Klingon in the heat of battle.

One note, though. You should explain what the Borg are for non-Trekies. I know who they are, but not everybody does.
 
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