When Hate is a Virtue.

[TransmutingSoul]

One can hate the act or war.

One can hate the act of tyranny.

That hate guides people to not being warlike, to not be a tyrant.

Yet the hate does not extend beyond the actions, to the person/s, as all have the capacity to change, to not embrace war or tyranny as a way of life.

A virtue based hate also allows a person to consider just actions against those that create war and tyranny, to the extent required to prevent such actions, as hate will not turn into revenge, but prevention only.

How do you see it?

Regards Tony

 

[Ella S.]

I think that both hate and love are false friends and bear with them the perils of attachment to the external world.

 

[osgart]

One can hate the act or war.

One can hate the act of tyranny.

That hate guides people to not being warlike, to not be a tyrant.

Yet the hate does not extend beyond the actions, to the person/s, as all have the capacity to change, to not embrace war or tyranny as a way of life.

A virtue based hate also allows a person to consider just actions against those that create war and tyranny, to the extent required to prevent such actions, as hate will not turn into revenge, but prevention only.

How do you see it?

Regards Tony

I see it that way as well. A rightful hate is a good thing. Senseless hatred is totally different than hate with cause.

Of all the things to hate, all of those things can't be justified, they are senseless and baseless injustices. Evil is without any good reason and makes no sense. I think the root of evil is in false pride, or arrogance. Evil by definition seeks to destroy what is worthy and good. It's good to hate it.

There are other things besides evil that I hate. Such as intense pain and suffering. If I'm suffering for a good reason then that's not so bad.

 

[Nakosis]

One can hate the act or war.

One can hate the act of tyranny.

That hate guides people to not being warlike, to not be a tyrant.

Yet the hate does not extend beyond the actions, to the person/s, as all have the capacity to change, to not embrace war or tyranny as a way of life.

A virtue based hate also allows a person to consider just actions against those that create war and tyranny, to the extent required to prevent such actions, as hate will not turn into revenge, but prevention only.

How do you see it?

Regards Tony

I suppose people are easier driven by emotion than reason.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

One can hate the act or war.

One can hate the act of tyranny.

That hate guides people to not being warlike, to not be a tyrant.

Yet the hate does not extend beyond the actions, to the person/s, as all have the capacity to change, to not embrace war or tyranny as a way of life.

A virtue based hate also allows a person to consider just actions against those that create war and tyranny, to the extent required to prevent such actions, as hate will not turn into revenge, but prevention only.

How do you see it?

Regards Tony

Hating the wrong things is fine, but hating enemies is not a virtue. Love your enemies is a virtue

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I suppose people are easier driven by emotion than reason.

Would not reason be part of any action?

Also would not the hat be build on good reasons in the first place?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Hating the wrong things is fine, but hating enemies is not a virtue. Love your enemies is a virtue

Agreed.

Regards Tony

 

[MonkeyFire]

There is no point to war in a Heavenly universe, except to give the soldiers of Heaven their existence.

 

[Truthseeker]

I see it that way as well. A rightful hate is a good thing. Senseless hatred is totally different than hate with cause.

Of all the things to hate, all of those things can't be justified, they are senseless and baseless injustices. Evil is without any good reason and makes no sense. I think the root of evil is in false pride, or arrogance. Evil by definition seeks to destroy what is worthy and good. It's good to hate it.

There are other things besides evil that I hate. Such as intense pain and suffering. If I'm suffering for a good reason then that's not so bad.

I agree with most of it, but I don't think hate of suffering is good either. Not even for other people. That, I believe, turns into dislike of God quite a bit. I see that in Susan (@Trailblazer). She, along with my wife, are my best friends, but this is not good for her. I have some understanding of why she feels that way, and it doesn't damn her.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think that both hate and love are false friends and bear with them the perils of attachment to the external world.

Yes, that is another way of seeing it, as all things need moderation. All things can be harmful, if carried to excess.

Maybe we need to cleanse our heart, that no remnant of either love or hate may linger therein, lest that love blindly incline us to error, or that hate repel us away from the truth.

Regards Tony

 

[osgart]

I agree with most of it, but I don't think hate of suffering is good either. Not even for other people. That, I believe, turns into dislike of God quite a bit. I see that in Susan (@Trailblazer). She, along with my wife, are my best friends, but this is not good for her. I have some understanding of why she feels that way, and it doesn't damn her.

So you think all suffering has purpose. Sometimes I feel that a lot of it is just pointless. But even pointless suffering can draw out a person's character to overcome. And I guess that can make a person stronger.

 

[stvdv]

One can hate the act or war.

One can hate the act of tyranny.

That implies:
"one hates part of God (His Creation)"

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That implies:
"one hates part of God (His Creation)"

I personally do not see it in that light. I see it is praising God's guidance for us, over the actions of men.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That implies:
"one hates part of God (His Creation)"

This is a talk that inspired my ideas.

"In the innate nature of things there is no evil—all is good. This applies even to certain apparently blameworthy attributes and dispositions which seem inherent in some people, but which are not in reality reprehensible. For example, you can see in a nursing child, from the beginning of its life, the signs of greed, of anger, and of ill temper; and so it might be argued that good and evil are innate in the reality of man, and that this is contrary to the pure goodness of the innate nature and of creation. The answer is that greed, which is to demand ever more, is a praiseworthy quality provided that it is displayed under the right circumstances. Thus, should a person show greed in acquiring science and knowledge, or in the exercise of compassion, high-mindedness and justice, this would be most praiseworthy. And should he direct his anger and wrath against the bloodthirsty tyrants who are like ferocious beasts, this too would be most praiseworthy. But should he display these qualities under other conditions, this would be deserving of blame." – Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, newly revised edition, pp. 248-249.

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

One can hate the act or war.

One can hate the act of tyranny.

That hate guides people to not being warlike, to not be a tyrant.

Yet the hate does not extend beyond the actions, to the person/s, as all have the capacity to change, to not embrace war or tyranny as a way of life.

A virtue based hate also allows a person to consider just actions against those that create war and tyranny, to the extent required to prevent such actions, as hate will not turn into revenge, but prevention only.

How do you see it?

Regards Tony

I try not to hate anything or anyone in this world.

But taking a strong stands against any form of voilence and war is an healthy way of living, IMHO.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I try not to hate anything or anyone in this world.

But taking a strong stands against any form of voilence and war is an healthy way of living, IMHO.

Way to go, Regards Tony.

P/S An impossible task I would offer, that is not to consider one hates injustice and tyranny. What else can we call it.

Indifference?

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

Way to go, Regards Tony.

P/S An impossible task I would offer, that is not to consider one hates injustice and tyranny. What else can we call it.

Indifference?

Regards Tony

I believe one can conquer hate and tyranny with love. But yes it is almost impossible to keep a pure heart at all times.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I suppose people are easier driven by emotion than reason.

Brain scans seems to indicate that you can use just emotions or emotions and reason combined, but you can't do morality based on reason alone.

 

[stvdv]

This is a talk that inspired my ideas.

Knowing the differences between anger and hate, I would have been shocked if Baha'u'llah would've agreed using the word "hate" in this context (shocked, as in not being able to see Him as a prophet anymore)

I am glad to read that Abdu’l-Baha has not used the word "hate" but used "anger" instead. Masters are very specific in their word choice, and I try to not use different words, as the Teaching easily gets a totally different vibe, as in this case

 

[stvdv]

One can hate the act or war.
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Krishna, being a Poorna Avatar (you don't get them more knowledgeable on earth I think), does not "hate the act of war", right?

Krishna is the right example in this context, right?